[Nfbc-info] Web Site Host Recommendation

Sat Dec 6 05:46:16 UTC 2008

    Thanks Peter.  The site I was talking about was definitely not an NFB 
site  but I bet lots of blind folks have the problem of inaccessible web 
hosting so I suspect someone would have a corner on the market if they did 
offer such a blind friendly service.
I keep hearing of people getting ready to leave go daddy because they no 
longer can keep there sites up.
Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Web Site Host Recommendation


> Hello Michael and listers,
>
>    Since NFB Net is funded by the NFB only NFB affiliate sites can be
> hosted by this service. I was under the impression that your affiliate
> needed a new home for your Web Site which is why I mentioned these two
> hosting possibilities. The NFBC Web Site is maintained better than other
> affiliate sites I've visited. Keep up the good work.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Peterson" <its_mike at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Web Site Host Recommendation
>
>
>    Hi Peter! Thanks that sounds like great advice for affiliates but does
> Dave rent space for private non NFB sites?
> The $1,000 nfb site sounds great over a life time in fact judging by the
> godady fee it would pay itself off in ten years or so and the Federation
> would benefit but I'm a starving student at this point anyway, well maybe
> not quite starving but I don't have that much loose change at present.
> I do have a new Agrade  in course 687 though and for the moment to me 
> that's
> worth $1,000 but not for trade.
> Hopefully I'll do the same in my other class in the next couple days.
> Seriously though if Dave sells space and Terra can handle the web builders
> there it's definitely worth our consideration.
> Mike
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:13 PM
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Web Site Host Recommendation
>
>
>> Good evening everyone,
>>
>>    If you're contemplating moving your affiliate Web site to a new host
>> there are two strongly recommended options you could choose from. You can
>> have the site hosted on the NFB's server for a one-time charge of 
>> $1000.00
>> which includes access to the NFB's content management system. However
>> there
>> are certain operations which can be problematic with this interface. I 
>> was
>> in Baltimore for the Webmasters seminar this past February and had
>> first-hand experience using the X Catilyst Content Management System,
>> (CMS)
>> and have knowledge of its usability by a blind Web developer.
>>
>>    The second option would be to have your affiliate Web site hosted on
>> NFB
>> Net. Although you would still need to pay for domain registration David
>> Andrews can host affiliate Web sites free of charge. Since the NFB has
>> direct control over these servers there's no worry about third parties
>> changing the interface effecting your ability to manage the site
>> independently, Dave can give you whatever you need in terms of system
>> resources, and there are lots of us who can jump in to assist you 
>> whenever
>> you feel you need help with site development and management. Just thought
>> I
>> would jump in with my two cents on this matter.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael Peterson" <its_mike at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>>
>>
>>    One thing I think the technology committee will address or should is
>> social network sites are set up to be user friendly for anyone that is if
>> your not using a screen reader.
>> Now a person with advanced knowledge of jaws or window-eyes can
>> successfully
>> navigate those sites to a greater or lesser extent.
>> But the average user can't.
>> so the standard is different it's not just about using a screen reader to
>> access it's about is the blind user the average blind user of a  screen
>> reader given the same degree of access  as the sighted.
>> In fact I suspect if every blind user was polled it's likely during
>> 2003-2008 someone maybe with limited vision or superior knowledge a blind
>> person did or could hav used target or a limited number of features on
>> targets site.
>>  Nevertheless the average blind person using the standard screen reader
>> couldn''t.
>>
>> Also the folks who say they use the networks successfully aren't using 
>> all
>> the features such as chat equally to their sighted counterparts who may 
>> be
>> employees employers etc on a social network.  One of the things that 
>> draws
>> sighted folks to social networks is chat with all the features it's more
>> than just yahoo messenger or msn messenger.  access limited access is no
>> more equal than requiring a black man to use a separate bathroom or eat 
>> at
>> a
>> separate lunch counter or ride at the back of the bus.  Well what is the
>> problem anyway, he's on the bus isn't he?
>> Glad Rosanna Parks didn't see it that way!
>> It's limited not equal.
>>
>> Another related problem we just started having outside of social networks
>> is
>> we have a website. Godaddy has made the web building feature so graphical
>> that we are going to be forced to find another website provider.
>> Terra can use Angelfire but it's twice as expensive.
>> That's not something specifically required by the resolutions but if 
>> blind
>> folks want to have websites like the sighted it seems like they should be
>> accessible and in this instance we are paying for the service it is a
>> cyber
>> store so the ADA should cover it.
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Brian Miller" <brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu>
>> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>>
>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> I think part of the intent of the Target lawsuit was to try and 
>>> establish
>>> the principle of online sites as facilities equivalent to brick and
>>> mortar
>>> stores, therefore being covered under the ADA, addressing the point you
>>> succinctly make below.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:06 AM
>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>>>
>>> Unlike Target.com, there is no Brick and Mortar physical Facebook store
>>> to
>>> link a law suit to facebook.  The Target suit was only successful 
>>> because
>>> they  have physical stores which are in fact covered by the ADA. 
>>> Without
>>> physical stores overlapping the web-based services, there isn't much 
>>> good
>>> law to base a suit upon.  So far, the reach of the ADA to web-only
>>> services
>>> is extremely limited.
>>>
>>> That being said, updating to the latest version of your browser 
>>> (Internet
>>> Explorer 7, Firefox etc.)and the Flash player plug-in version 10 makes a
>>> big
>>> difference in accessibility of facebook.  Also, Jim Barber mentioned on
>>> another list that m.facebook.com is another good alternative way to
>>> access
>>> facebook.
>>>
>>> I did have one question for the list though:  For those using facebook
>>> with
>>> some success, I am wondering if the chat function is accessible.  As far
>>> as
>>> I can tell, the chat function isn't usable, even though I can access 
>>> most
>>> other functions.  Jim?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:32 PM
>>> To: NFB of California List
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering what we've done about the social networking website
>>> resolution.
>>>
>>> I have desperately tried to learn the layout of the new FaceBook, but I
>>> swear the page is refreshing. Plus, certain aspects of the page just
>>> don't
>>> read well with JAWS. for instance, JAWS will say, "---- has accepted 
>>> your
>>> friend request." I have no idea who may have accepted my friend request
>>> because JAWS doesn't read it. But something is there.
>>>
>>> It is getting to be quite frustrating especially since many groups,
>>> organizations, etc. are on FaceBook. My high school class reunion is
>>> starting to organize on FaceBook and I can't access everything.
>>>
>>> If we sued Target, why aren't we suing FaceBook?
>>>
>>> LM
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