[Nfbc-info] Farmville on Facebook?

Wed Oct 28 06:55:36 UTC 2009

The main difference is that you are not making your own web site that you 
share materials with your family available to the general public. When a 
service is held out to the general public as is Facebook there are certain 
expectations that apply. It would be no different than if you were to access 
a public place that would be required to be accessible. And as we all know 
we need to be forcing the issue in these cases to demand equal access. We do 
not have to accept the unacceptable.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Farmville on Facebook?

Again, I want to be clear that I don't actually know where the
boundaries are here.

However, target is different than facebook because they are offering
to do business with you.  Facebook is not.  You're welcome to come use
facebook if you wish.  However, you don't pay facebook to use their site,
nor do you buy things from facebook.

In other words, as far as the law is concerned, I believe there's
little difference between facebook's website, and my own website that
I maintain to share content with my family.

I'm very unclear how California law impacts this.

I'll check with a few lawyer friends.

Jim

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 05:43:05PM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> As it is a business it is potentially violating the ADA and Section 508
> of the Rehabilitation Act. It is also violating California state laws
> regarding disability discrimination in equal access which are in
> actuality more stringent than the ADA. It is for that reason the Target
> suit was filed in California in Federal court.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Farmville on Facebook?
>
>
> I'm not so sure about that.  What law do you think Facebook is
> violating?
>
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 02:38:04PM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> A violation is a violation regardless if it is committed by a web site
>> owner or a third party developer who is providing the service as a
>> contractor or subcontractor. The law doesn't exempt third parties.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Farmville on Facebook?
>>
>>
>> So, I wonder if 3rd party developed facebook games count as a
>> violation of state or federal law?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 01:29:28PM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>> Supposedly Disability Rights Advocates is interested in pursuing cases
>>> involving various web accessibility issues as they had a representative
>>> at the convention.
>>> Chuck
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Chambers"
>>> <regenerative at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Farmville on Facebook?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So,
>>> If we could lean on Target.com to make their web store more
>>> accessible, can we do the same to Facebook and Farmville?
>>>
>>> Fred, who has real plants, animals, and weeds to get to.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27/10/2009, at 9:03 AM, tina thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Fred- Yes for the most part FB is accessible. However games such as
>>>> Farmville, vampire Wars, pirates and Café World are not accessible.
>>>> The only
>>>> game that I found to be  friendly to screen readers is Mafia wars  but
>>>> there
>>>> are some challenges with that game as well.
>>>> Tina
>>>>
>>>> "Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own
>>>> instead of
>>>> someone else's."
>>>> - Billy Wilder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-
>>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Fred Chambers
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:46 PM
>>>> To: NFB of California List
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Farmville on Facebook?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Does anyone have experience with Facebook?
>>>> I've found it to be fairly accessible.
>>>> Applications or games like Farmville do not seem to work with any  of 
>>>> my
>>>> screenreaders.
>>>> What have y'all figured out?  Is Farmville accessible at all?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Fred
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