[Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines

Wed Sep 26 16:46:54 UTC 2012

Wow! I finally got around to reading this thread ... I actually
tweeted out a picture about two months ago of an inaccessible soda
fountain machine (the one where you have to battle it out with a touch
screen to get a soda). This machine was located at my nearby wing Stop
and I was very concerned. This was the first I ever saw.

So, although I agree with many on this list, I think the one huge
thing we're not saying is that, regardless of what independence means,
the idea of touch screen soda fountains are simply a snowball waiting
to roll downhill.

It is an accessibility issue we all need to take into stride. If soda
fountains are touch screens with a menu structure, what's next?
Manufactorers of these machines should know better and should know to
include accessibility features. Look at ATMs ... look at Redbox. I
mention Redbox because I'm an individual plaintiff suing them to make
their machines accessible to blind people. Why did I decide to get
involved with this suit? not because my job is involved, as some
people may think, but because I actually care about the future of
technology and accessibility. If Redbox is made to make their machines
accessible to the blind then other coorporations are going to have to
wake up and pay attention.

If we cannot get our own DVDs or Cokes on our own, then what? Touch
screens are becoming so prolific we need to take a stand and make them
accessible from the get go. We can't stand by and just let them be
inaccessible because we can always ask a sighted person to help us. If
we don't demand access from the beginning, if we don't make an example
of some giant coorporation, then the fault lies with us.

Someone mentioned a resolution? Has it been written? I have never
written a resolution and am quite happy to get one going with the
caviot that we actually follow through with this issue and do
something about it. Anyone want to help write this beastly resolution?

Shoot me an email, (off list please), at lmartinez217 at gmail.com or
call/text me at 510-289-2577.

Let's get this written up and let's do something about it instead of
emailing about it on this list. I'm really serious...first soda
machines, self-check out stands, etc. What's nexzt? I've heard that
there is talk about having medical kiosks that can help people with a
variety of minor aches, pains and illnesses. Do we want to be left out
of that too?

Lisamaria

On 9/26/12, Hoby Wedler <hobywedler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What about headphone jacks like the ones on ATM machines?
> -- Hoby Wedler
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joy Stigile
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:16 PM
> To: NFB of California List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
>
> Hi!
>
> Speech seems good to me except, in a busy past food restaurant, mini market
> or a busy airport it just work not work!
>
> I think we need to put more thought into this idea.
>
> Warmly, Joy
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
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>> Sounds to me like they need to have speech readout and an alternative way
>>
>> of going through the screens.
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>> On 9/23/2012 8:21 PM, Melissa Haney wrote:
>>> Hi Brian
>>> The coke machine that I was referring to is a free standing coke machine
>>>
>>> where you put money in and a bottled soda is dispensed. It goes through
>>> multiple screens and therefore is impossible to mark.
>>> Melissa
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2012, at 5:05 PM, <pschase at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for the clarification. I was one of those people who
>>>> didn't quite understand what you were talking about.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you! We need to be able to do this ourselves. Many times
>>>> there is no one around to assist in getting the drink. I would like the
>>>>
>>>> opportunity to choose the level of ice, type of drink and how much drink
>>>>
>>>> that I want. I don't like a lot of ice in my drinks and I want to decide
>>>>
>>>> how much ice and liquid I want in my cup. I want the right to do it
>>>> myself! Being independent is worth fighting for!
>>>>
>>>> Again thank you for the clarification of this topic.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pam Chase
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brian Buhrow
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:58 PM
>>>> To: NFB of California List
>>>> Cc: buhrow at nfbcal.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
>>>>
>>>> hello.  It occurred to me that some folks on this list might not
>>>> realize what we're talking about here, since I've seen a couple
>>>> messages
>>>> that seem a little confused about the discussion.
>>>> We're not talking about Coke machines where you  put money into the
>>>> machine, select a product and get a can or bottle out of the machine.
>>>> We're talking about a new kind of soda fountain where, rather than
>>>> having
>>>> an array of 4, 8 12 or 18 spigots which provide an equal number of
>>>> different kinds of soda.  Instead, there is one spigot and a touch
>>>> screen
>>>> is used to select what comes out of that spigot, whether it be water,
>>>> ice,
>>>> Coke, Orange soda, etc.  The idea is that the machine mixes the syrups
>>>> together to provide a huge selection of different kinds of sodas.
>>>> While I agree with Jim that we can get assistance in getting a soda in
>>>> a restaurant, it is not something we have always had to get help doing,
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>> the help we needed was simply to be told which spigot to use.  Now, we
>>>> mus
>>>> relinquish control entirely and ask someone to fill our cup, letting
>>>> them
>>>> determine how much ice versus soda we want.  This means we need more of
>>>> someone's time to get a soda, and we cannot really independently
>>>> perform
>>>> the task after having gotten assistance learning how to use the device.
>>>> That's a step backward in my opinion, even if just a small one.
>>>> I'm told that Burger King has adopted these new machines in a big way,
>>>> which means this issue will probably come up again and again.    Should
>>>>
>>>> we
>>>> prepare to picket Burger King?  If so, it's important to bring your own
>>>> lunch with you!  LoL.
>>>>
>>>> -Brian
>>>> lunch
>>>>
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