[Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines

Thu Sep 27 05:18:22 UTC 2012

Hi,
No, we do not want to be left out of technological advances. And, no, some 
of us don't always have the convenience of a sighted person around.  I had 
my husband around for almost 13 years and he was very helpful with things 
like this but he is gone now so things are now up to me and I just simply do 
not always have a sighted person around anymore.  And grabbing someone with 
working eyeballs doesn't always work--some of them can't read.  Some of them 
can't follow directions.  Etc, etc, etc.
Thanks
Lauren

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisamaria Martinez" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines

> Wow! I finally got around to reading this thread ... I actually
> tweeted out a picture about two months ago of an inaccessible soda
> fountain machine (the one where you have to battle it out with a touch
> screen to get a soda). This machine was located at my nearby wing Stop
> and I was very concerned. This was the first I ever saw.
>
> So, although I agree with many on this list, I think the one huge
> thing we're not saying is that, regardless of what independence means,
> the idea of touch screen soda fountains are simply a snowball waiting
> to roll downhill.
>
> It is an accessibility issue we all need to take into stride. If soda
> fountains are touch screens with a menu structure, what's next?
> Manufactorers of these machines should know better and should know to
> include accessibility features. Look at ATMs ... look at Redbox. I
> mention Redbox because I'm an individual plaintiff suing them to make
> their machines accessible to blind people. Why did I decide to get
> involved with this suit? not because my job is involved, as some
> people may think, but because I actually care about the future of
> technology and accessibility. If Redbox is made to make their machines
> accessible to the blind then other coorporations are going to have to
> wake up and pay attention.
>
> If we cannot get our own DVDs or Cokes on our own, then what? Touch
> screens are becoming so prolific we need to take a stand and make them
> accessible from the get go. We can't stand by and just let them be
> inaccessible because we can always ask a sighted person to help us. If
> we don't demand access from the beginning, if we don't make an example
> of some giant coorporation, then the fault lies with us.
>
> Someone mentioned a resolution? Has it been written? I have never
> written a resolution and am quite happy to get one going with the
> caviot that we actually follow through with this issue and do
> something about it. Anyone want to help write this beastly resolution?
>
> Shoot me an email, (off list please), at lmartinez217 at gmail.com or
> call/text me at 510-289-2577.
>
> Let's get this written up and let's do something about it instead of
> emailing about it on this list. I'm really serious...first soda
> machines, self-check out stands, etc. What's nexzt? I've heard that
> there is talk about having medical kiosks that can help people with a
> variety of minor aches, pains and illnesses. Do we want to be left out
> of that too?
>
> Lisamaria
>
>
> On 9/26/12, Hoby Wedler <hobywedler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What about headphone jacks like the ones on ATM machines?
>> -- Hoby Wedler
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joy Stigile
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:16 PM
>> To: NFB of California List
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Speech seems good to me except, in a busy past food restaurant, mini 
>> market
>> or a busy airport it just work not work!
>>
>> I think we need to put more thought into this idea.
>>
>> Warmly, Joy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693 at gmail.com>
>> To: <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
>>
>>
>>> Sounds to me like they need to have speech readout and an alternative 
>>> way
>>>
>>> of going through the screens.
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>>> On 9/23/2012 8:21 PM, Melissa Haney wrote:
>>>> Hi Brian
>>>> The coke machine that I was referring to is a free standing coke 
>>>> machine
>>>>
>>>> where you put money in and a bottled soda is dispensed. It goes through
>>>> multiple screens and therefore is impossible to mark.
>>>> Melissa
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 23, 2012, at 5:05 PM, <pschase at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for the clarification. I was one of those people who
>>>>> didn't quite understand what you were talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you! We need to be able to do this ourselves. Many times
>>>>> there is no one around to assist in getting the drink. I would like 
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> opportunity to choose the level of ice, type of drink and how much 
>>>>> drink
>>>>>
>>>>> that I want. I don't like a lot of ice in my drinks and I want to 
>>>>> decide
>>>>>
>>>>> how much ice and liquid I want in my cup. I want the right to do it
>>>>> myself! Being independent is worth fighting for!
>>>>>
>>>>> Again thank you for the clarification of this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pam Chase
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brian Buhrow
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:58 PM
>>>>> To: NFB of California List
>>>>> Cc: buhrow at nfbcal.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
>>>>>
>>>>> hello.  It occurred to me that some folks on this list might not
>>>>> realize what we're talking about here, since I've seen a couple
>>>>> messages
>>>>> that seem a little confused about the discussion.
>>>>> We're not talking about Coke machines where you  put money into the
>>>>> machine, select a product and get a can or bottle out of the machine.
>>>>> We're talking about a new kind of soda fountain where, rather than
>>>>> having
>>>>> an array of 4, 8 12 or 18 spigots which provide an equal number of
>>>>> different kinds of soda.  Instead, there is one spigot and a touch
>>>>> screen
>>>>> is used to select what comes out of that spigot, whether it be water,
>>>>> ice,
>>>>> Coke, Orange soda, etc.  The idea is that the machine mixes the syrups
>>>>> together to provide a huge selection of different kinds of sodas.
>>>>> While I agree with Jim that we can get assistance in getting a soda in
>>>>> a restaurant, it is not something we have always had to get help 
>>>>> doing,
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> the help we needed was simply to be told which spigot to use.  Now, we
>>>>> mus
>>>>> relinquish control entirely and ask someone to fill our cup, letting
>>>>> them
>>>>> determine how much ice versus soda we want.  This means we need more 
>>>>> of
>>>>> someone's time to get a soda, and we cannot really independently
>>>>> perform
>>>>> the task after having gotten assistance learning how to use the 
>>>>> device.
>>>>> That's a step backward in my opinion, even if just a small one.
>>>>> I'm told that Burger King has adopted these new machines in a big way,
>>>>> which means this issue will probably come up again and again. 
>>>>> Should
>>>>>
>>>>> we
>>>>> prepare to picket Burger King?  If so, it's important to bring your 
>>>>> own
>>>>> lunch with you!  LoL.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Brian
>>>>> lunch
>>>>>
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