[Nfbc-info] [CCB-L] FW: Note-Taking Devices

Sat Sep 14 02:31:51 UTC 2013

I told you Steve was good.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chela Robles
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:51 PM
To: NFB of California List
Cc: 'CCB-l'
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] [CCB-L] FW: Note-Taking Devices

Well Steven was amazing!
He is going to make a technology report and will say that I need a Dell
15-inch notebook with Windows 7 and Microsoft Office 2010 Professional
with a numpad, he also said since that they are $10, he is going to also
recommend an external keyboard, a victor Reader Stream for playing Daisy
content for textbooks, JAWS and Kurzweil 1000 upgrades and the software
called TypeAbility so I can let the instructors know my accuracy and
speed, the HoverCam and the Printer/Scanner/Copy Machine/Fax-in-one unit
and of course the paper for the printer and ink cartridges for it as
well as the Focus 14 Blue which I tested out and like and it works well
for me. I'm going to not only use it for the computer but I can use it
with my IPod Touch to take notes using the notes app on my IPod Touch
5G, and I can also pair it with my cell phone the Samsung Jack with
Mobile Speak Smartphone which sometimes doesn't speak to me which is
alarming at times to me.
Dave McElroy I don't own a laptop because right now I'm borrowing
someone else's so yes I have the right to avail myself of the service of
Rehab because I can and will and if CCB or ACB won't back me up, then
I'll join the NFB since they are ones or at least some of the group
members of the California devision is backing me up and supporting the
final outcome and is encouraging me and you have the audacity to say the
nasty comments you always say whenever someone is trying their best in
society to make it and to not make mistakes because a lot of us try to
be perfectionists, at least I'm one of them so I'm not going to let your
comments bring me down, you don't know me at all and you don't know how
hard I've tried for 9 years of my life that have gone wasted and I'm
finally breaking through! Should there not be some sort of applause
going on now?
Enough from me right now, I'm happy all is going well right now and now
I'm going to let off steam on my trumpet because of your assumptions of
me. I do really try hard!
Thank you all very much for your encouragement!
Have a great weekend!
Trumpeter Chela Robles who is glad to know and hear the school staff is
very positive I'll succeed because I wow them every time I have a
meeting demonstration or whatever and the knowledge says a lot too.
I'm proficient in the braille skills of reading/writing braille too.
Have known it since I was 3 and same goes with cane travel...so yes I
try to get by and make something of myself after all I'm nothing without
God and guideance from others and I feel confident because others feel
confident in me as well and cheering me on helps too.

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It is to give children the skills to understand the world and an expectation 
that the world is a trustworthy place; that it is full of light, and love, 
and music and that each student deserves--and will have--their own place in 
it and the chance to play their own song.
And, as much of these expectations are transmitted non-verbally—and in Chela’s 
case--out of sight…it is the voice and touch of a Teacher that sheds light 
on what the world can be.
Academics—and no one will ever change my mind on this—take a distant second 
place. —Dr. Bil Hawkins
--
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the National Retail Federation Foundation (NRF): 
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On 9/13/2013 12:06 PM, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF [mailto:dave at drakelroy.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:08 AM
> To: Charles Crawford
> Subject: RE: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>
> But then you should be providing your own laptop imho.  How are the other 
> students doing it?  You seem to expect, expect and expect.
>
> Maybe one or the other but both
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org [mailto:ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Chela Robles
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:50 AM
> To: ccb-l at ccbnet.org; NFB of California List
> Subject: Re: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>
> First of all, thanks for your feedback.
> Second, like I've failed to mention to both CCBL and NFBC-Info listservs
> I'm on and sorry for saying this late, but the courses require Windows
> Notebook/laptop with the six pack keys above the arrow keys and the
> numpad on the right of the keyboard, plus, the school has a limited
> number of desktop pc's running Windows 7 Professional only for those who
> don't have a laptop and don't own a computer at home in the lab, and
> need I remind you I'm the first totally blind person attending the
> school and since I need a computer anyway, Rehab is wanting to get me a
> laptop anyway since I've been borrowing a friend's laptop for a couple
> years now. Here is the description of the program I'm going to take.
> Also, it would take me forever to use a slate and stylus because the
> only way I can see myself using it is if I write down an address or
> telephone number or email address but even then, it is really hard for
> me and it always has been since I was a child to think of writing
> opposite the brailler which again I'll not use in class due to it being
> loud so I'll use a laptop and braille display for proofreading and
> taking my own notes and unlike most people in my generation and the
> generation now of kids, I have a high competency of braille
> reading/writing skills which is why I was selected to be a volunteer for
> the Lions Center For The blind as a tutor.
> Administrative Assistant
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Administrative assistants perform a variety of clerical and
> organizational tasks that are necessary to run an organization
> efficiently. They organize files,
> schedule appointments, and support other staff. They use computer
> software to compose messages, create spreadsheets, manage databases, and
> produce presentations,
> reports, and documents. Earn an Administrative Assistant certificate by
> learning the essential skills in the program components below. Program
> completion
> time is one year if attendance requirements and competencies are met.
> Admission requirement: Successful scores on
> reading and math assessments.
>     For additional information, contact
> Julie Davis.
>    Approx. class fee: $3,021, Pell Grant eligible.  Next program start
> date is 9/9.
>
> Administrative Assistant Program Components:
>
> list of 5 items
> 1. Keyboarding - 6 weeks
> 2.
> Computer Applications Certificate Training
>    - 12 weeks
> Windows 7, Microsoft Word, Publisher, Excel, Access, PowerPoint and 
> Outlook.
> 3.
> Office/Computer Skills -
> 18 weeks
> 4. Administrative Assistant Module - 6 weeks
> 5. Business Office Internship - 8 weeks
> list end
>
> Computer Applications Training
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Do you possess enough computer applications skills to be competitive in
> the job market?
> In our comprehensive course, start with computer basics and then learn
> popular
> Microsoft applications to earn a certificate.
>
> Minimum keyboarding speed of 25 WPM required to take course.
>
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> COURSE
> LENGTH
> Welcome to Windows 7
> 1 week
> Microsoft Word - Levels 1, 2, 3
> 3 weeks
> Microsoft Publisher
> 1 week
> Microsoft Excel - Levels 1, 2, 3
> 3 weeks
> Microsoft Access - Level 1
> 1 week
> Microsoft PowerPoint Level 1, 2
> 2 weeks
> Microsoft Outlook
> 1 week
> table end
>
> See Computer Courses
> for details on individual class dates.
>
> Keyboarding speed of 25 net words per minute is required to take this
> course. Individual sections are available. Textbooks and supplies
> included in fee
> and provided in class. Minimum attendance (80%) and successful scores on
> competency skill assessments required to earn certificate.
>
> Individual sections are available, if you do not need the full course.
>
> Successful completion meets partial requirement of the Administrative
> Assistant Certificate above.  If interested in Administrative Assistant
> Certificate,
> contact Julie Davis via email at
> davisju at mdusd.org.
> So again, I'm going to be using the laptop a lot, but since I already
> have a job offer to me for working for a company that has Apple
> Computers with Voiceover, I'm going to need a braille display that will
> be able to connect to both systems should I take that job offer which is
> more likely going to be after the summer of 2014 once I've graduated
> that program...that is if I accept that job offer. I still have a long
> ways to think it over.
>
> --
> Teachers have a sacred task:
> It is to give children the skills to understand the world and an 
> expectation that the world is a trustworthy place; that it is full of 
> light, and love, and music and that each student deserves--and will 
> have--their own place in it and the chance to play their own song.
> And, as much of these expectations are transmitted non-verbally—and in 
> Chela’s case--out of sight…it is the voice and touch of a Teacher that 
> sheds light on what the world can be.
> Academics—and no one will ever change my mind on this—take a distant 
> second place. —Dr. Bil Hawkins
> --
> Chela Robles a Nationally Certified person in Customer Service, certified 
> by the National Retail Federation Foundation (NRF): 
> http://www.nrffoundation.com/
> E-mail: cdrobles693 at gmail.com
> Windows Live Messenger: cdrobles693 at hotmail.com
> Skype: jazzytrumpet
> I volunteer for Bookshare, to find out more and to volunteer with 
> us,visit: http://www.bookshare.org/
> Need more space, come join dropbox and start with two gigs of free space 
> and 500 Megabytes as is this is my referral link to you: 
> http://db.tt/XpUTe0E
> --
>
> On 9/13/2013 5:10 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>> People forget that school is the best opportunity to build basic
>> skills that will be invaluable when you enter the world of work.
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:55 PM
>> To: ccb-l at ccbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>>
>> Since I don't have either of those items to this day, I think you are
>> being just a tad unreasonable.  Kind of like demanding a Cadilac when
>> you should be riding a bike.
>>
>> Boy!  The days when we took our own braille writers to school or work
>> sure have changed.
>>
>> Are there computers at the school for each student?  If so, then it
>> would certainly be appropriate for the college to see that you have
>> equal access, probably by equipping one with speech, though having
>> said this I brought my own outboard speech with me to the first
>> computer class I took.
>>
>> You really need to be careful about your demanfs I think.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org [mailto:ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:54 PM
>> To: Andy Baracco; ccb-l
>> Subject: Re: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>>
>> Hi, Andy,
>>
>> Me too, I huge page slate. Never faled me.At
>> 08:21 PM 9/12/2013, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>> When I was in school, I used a slate and stylus.
>>> In fact, I used that combo all the way through
>>> college and grad school, and they served me
>>> well. I do not recall them ever crashing, or any
>>> mechanical failure of any kind. Andy
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chela Robles
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:30 PM To:
>>> undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [CCB-L]
>>> Note-Taking Devices Hello all, I have told you
>>> while back that I'm going to take the
>>> Administrative Assistant Program starting
>>> October 21st and through the summer of 2014 at
>>> Mt. Diablo Adult Education School in my
>>> hometown, Concord, California and I have made a
>>> list in conjunction with the financial aid
>>> adviser who will be working with my counselor
>>> and I to make sure I succeed. A couple of the
>>> items I listed I think are note-taking
>>> possibilities a windows professional 7 equipped
>>> laptop and the Braille Focus 14 display. My
>>> question to all of you since I'm not going to
>>> divulge my whole list which is only ten items,
>>> which I'm sure you guys don't wish to read
>>> unless I'm wrong about that then let me know.
>>> Anyway my question is what do you guys use for
>>> taking notes in school? Several people from the
>>> IOs listserv I'm on say they use their IPads,
>>> IPhones, IPod Touches, MacBookPro's, while
>>> others use PC Laptops in conjunction with
>>> braille displays that have the braille keyboard
>>> integrated with the laptop while still others
>>> use just the braille display because it has
>>> note-taking functionality itself, yet others
>>> still stick to the classic note-takers such as
>>> from Humanware or the pac mate from Freedom
>>> Scientific which mine didn't last. I just really
>>> think personally it would be easier to take the
>>> laptop and the braille display along with the
>>> digital recorder I have from Olympus to record
>>> lectures, but I want to make sure I know what
>>> others are using but to me it sounds like a lot
>>> of people are using their IDevices or Braille
>>> displays in conjunction with the IDevices or as
>>> a stand-alone note-taker, or in conjunction or
>>> without laptops whether from Apple or PC-based,
>>> now, but correct me if I'm wrong, but there are
>>> still those who use the older technology such as
>>> what I mentioned before from Freedom Scientific
>>> which again my Pac Mate did retire and I'd not
>>> get one again. I'd like to know before 8AM PST.
>>> Tomorrow. I don't want to limit myself yet I
>>> want to make sure I don't break Rehab's budget
>>> smiles. I have a meeting tomorrow with a tech
>>> evaluator name Steven Clark from Adaptive
>>> Technology Services, even though I already gave
>>> him the list, I'd still like to know what others
>>> are using to take notes in classes nowadays.
>>> Thanks for your kind responses. Chela Robles -- -- Teachers have a
>>> sacred task: It is to give
>>> children the skills to understand the world and
>>> an expectation that the world is a trustworthy
>>> place; that it is full of light, and love, and
>>> music and that each student deserves--and will
>>> have--their own place in it and the chance to
>>> play their own song. And, as much of these
>>> expectations are transmitted non-verballyâ€”and in
>>> ChelaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s case--out of sightâ€¦it is is the voice
>>> and touch of a Teacher that sheds light on what
>>> the world can be. Academicsâ€”and no one will ever
>>> channge my mind on thisâ€”take a distant second
>>> place. â€”Dr.Dr. Bil Hawkins -- Chela Robles a
>>> Nationally Certified person in Customer Service,
>>> certified by the National Retail Federation
>>> Foundation (NRF): http://www.nrffoundation.com/
>>> E-mail: cdrobles693 at gmail.com Windows Live
>>> Messenger: cdrobles693 at hotmail.com Skype:
>>> jazzytrumpet I volunteer for Bookshare, to find
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