[Nfbc-info] [CCB-L] FW: Note-Taking Devices

Sat Sep 14 02:55:36 UTC 2013

Yep he's great!

Chela Robles
Sent from my Fifth Generation iPod Touch

On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:31 PM, "Rob Kaiser" <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I told you Steve was good.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Chela Robles
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:51 PM
> To: NFB of California List
> Cc: 'CCB-l'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] [CCB-L] FW: Note-Taking Devices
> 
> Well Steven was amazing!
> He is going to make a technology report and will say that I need a Dell
> 15-inch notebook with Windows 7 and Microsoft Office 2010 Professional
> with a numpad, he also said since that they are $10, he is going to also
> recommend an external keyboard, a victor Reader Stream for playing Daisy
> content for textbooks, JAWS and Kurzweil 1000 upgrades and the software
> called TypeAbility so I can let the instructors know my accuracy and
> speed, the HoverCam and the Printer/Scanner/Copy Machine/Fax-in-one unit
> and of course the paper for the printer and ink cartridges for it as
> well as the Focus 14 Blue which I tested out and like and it works well
> for me. I'm going to not only use it for the computer but I can use it
> with my IPod Touch to take notes using the notes app on my IPod Touch
> 5G, and I can also pair it with my cell phone the Samsung Jack with
> Mobile Speak Smartphone which sometimes doesn't speak to me which is
> alarming at times to me.
> Dave McElroy I don't own a laptop because right now I'm borrowing
> someone else's so yes I have the right to avail myself of the service of
> Rehab because I can and will and if CCB or ACB won't back me up, then
> I'll join the NFB since they are ones or at least some of the group
> members of the California devision is backing me up and supporting the
> final outcome and is encouraging me and you have the audacity to say the
> nasty comments you always say whenever someone is trying their best in
> society to make it and to not make mistakes because a lot of us try to
> be perfectionists, at least I'm one of them so I'm not going to let your
> comments bring me down, you don't know me at all and you don't know how
> hard I've tried for 9 years of my life that have gone wasted and I'm
> finally breaking through! Should there not be some sort of applause
> going on now?
> Enough from me right now, I'm happy all is going well right now and now
> I'm going to let off steam on my trumpet because of your assumptions of
> me. I do really try hard!
> Thank you all very much for your encouragement!
> Have a great weekend!
> Trumpeter Chela Robles who is glad to know and hear the school staff is
> very positive I'll succeed because I wow them every time I have a
> meeting demonstration or whatever and the knowledge says a lot too.
> I'm proficient in the braille skills of reading/writing braille too.
> Have known it since I was 3 and same goes with cane travel...so yes I
> try to get by and make something of myself after all I'm nothing without
> God and guideance from others and I feel confident because others feel
> confident in me as well and cheering me on helps too.
> 
> --
> Teachers have a sacred task:
> It is to give children the skills to understand the world and an expectation that the world is a trustworthy place; that it is full of light, and love, and music and that each student deserves--and will have--their own place in it and the chance to play their own song.
> And, as much of these expectations are transmitted non-verbally—and in Chela’s case--out of sight…it is the voice and touch of a Teacher that sheds light on what the world can be.
> Academics—and no one will ever change my mind on this—take a distant second place. —Dr. Bil Hawkins
> --
> Chela Robles a Nationally Certified person in Customer Service, certified by the National Retail Federation Foundation (NRF): http://www.nrffoundation.com/
> E-mail: cdrobles693 at gmail.com
> Windows Live Messenger: cdrobles693 at hotmail.com
> Skype: jazzytrumpet
> I volunteer for Bookshare, to find out more and to volunteer with us,visit: http://www.bookshare.org/
> Need more space, come join dropbox and start with two gigs of free space and 500 Megabytes as is this is my referral link to you: http://db.tt/XpUTe0E
> --
> 
> On 9/13/2013 12:06 PM, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote:
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF [mailto:dave at drakelroy.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:08 AM
>> To: Charles Crawford
>> Subject: RE: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>> 
>> But then you should be providing your own laptop imho.  How are the other students doing it?  You seem to expect, expect and expect.
>> 
>> Maybe one or the other but both
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org [mailto:ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:50 AM
>> To: ccb-l at ccbnet.org; NFB of California List
>> Subject: Re: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>> 
>> First of all, thanks for your feedback.
>> Second, like I've failed to mention to both CCBL and NFBC-Info listservs
>> I'm on and sorry for saying this late, but the courses require Windows
>> Notebook/laptop with the six pack keys above the arrow keys and the
>> numpad on the right of the keyboard, plus, the school has a limited
>> number of desktop pc's running Windows 7 Professional only for those who
>> don't have a laptop and don't own a computer at home in the lab, and
>> need I remind you I'm the first totally blind person attending the
>> school and since I need a computer anyway, Rehab is wanting to get me a
>> laptop anyway since I've been borrowing a friend's laptop for a couple
>> years now. Here is the description of the program I'm going to take.
>> Also, it would take me forever to use a slate and stylus because the
>> only way I can see myself using it is if I write down an address or
>> telephone number or email address but even then, it is really hard for
>> me and it always has been since I was a child to think of writing
>> opposite the brailler which again I'll not use in class due to it being
>> loud so I'll use a laptop and braille display for proofreading and
>> taking my own notes and unlike most people in my generation and the
>> generation now of kids, I have a high competency of braille
>> reading/writing skills which is why I was selected to be a volunteer for
>> the Lions Center For The blind as a tutor.
>> Administrative Assistant
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Administrative assistants perform a variety of clerical and
>> organizational tasks that are necessary to run an organization
>> efficiently. They organize files,
>> schedule appointments, and support other staff. They use computer
>> software to compose messages, create spreadsheets, manage databases, and
>> produce presentations,
>> reports, and documents. Earn an Administrative Assistant certificate by
>> learning the essential skills in the program components below. Program
>> completion
>> time is one year if attendance requirements and competencies are met.
>> Admission requirement: Successful scores on
>> reading and math assessments.
>>    For additional information, contact
>> Julie Davis.
>>   Approx. class fee: $3,021, Pell Grant eligible.  Next program start
>> date is 9/9.
>> 
>> Administrative Assistant Program Components:
>> 
>> list of 5 items
>> 1. Keyboarding - 6 weeks
>> 2.
>> Computer Applications Certificate Training
>>   - 12 weeks
>> Windows 7, Microsoft Word, Publisher, Excel, Access, PowerPoint and Outlook.
>> 3.
>> Office/Computer Skills -
>> 18 weeks
>> 4. Administrative Assistant Module - 6 weeks
>> 5. Business Office Internship - 8 weeks
>> list end
>> 
>> Computer Applications Training
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Do you possess enough computer applications skills to be competitive in
>> the job market?
>> In our comprehensive course, start with computer basics and then learn
>> popular
>> Microsoft applications to earn a certificate.
>> 
>> Minimum keyboarding speed of 25 WPM required to take course.
>> 
>> table with 2 columns and 8 rows
>> COURSE
>> LENGTH
>> Welcome to Windows 7
>> 1 week
>> Microsoft Word - Levels 1, 2, 3
>> 3 weeks
>> Microsoft Publisher
>> 1 week
>> Microsoft Excel - Levels 1, 2, 3
>> 3 weeks
>> Microsoft Access - Level 1
>> 1 week
>> Microsoft PowerPoint Level 1, 2
>> 2 weeks
>> Microsoft Outlook
>> 1 week
>> table end
>> 
>> See Computer Courses
>> for details on individual class dates.
>> 
>> Keyboarding speed of 25 net words per minute is required to take this
>> course. Individual sections are available. Textbooks and supplies
>> included in fee
>> and provided in class. Minimum attendance (80%) and successful scores on
>> competency skill assessments required to earn certificate.
>> 
>> Individual sections are available, if you do not need the full course.
>> 
>> Successful completion meets partial requirement of the Administrative
>> Assistant Certificate above.  If interested in Administrative Assistant
>> Certificate,
>> contact Julie Davis via email at
>> davisju at mdusd.org.
>> So again, I'm going to be using the laptop a lot, but since I already
>> have a job offer to me for working for a company that has Apple
>> Computers with Voiceover, I'm going to need a braille display that will
>> be able to connect to both systems should I take that job offer which is
>> more likely going to be after the summer of 2014 once I've graduated
>> that program...that is if I accept that job offer. I still have a long
>> ways to think it over.
>> 
>> --
>> Teachers have a sacred task:
>> It is to give children the skills to understand the world and an expectation that the world is a trustworthy place; that it is full of light, and love, and music and that each student deserves--and will have--their own place in it and the chance to play their own song.
>> And, as much of these expectations are transmitted non-verbally—and in Chela’s case--out of sight…it is the voice and touch of a Teacher that sheds light on what the world can be.
>> Academics—and no one will ever change my mind on this—take a distant second place. —Dr. Bil Hawkins
>> --
>> Chela Robles a Nationally Certified person in Customer Service, certified by the National Retail Federation Foundation (NRF): http://www.nrffoundation.com/
>> E-mail: cdrobles693 at gmail.com
>> Windows Live Messenger: cdrobles693 at hotmail.com
>> Skype: jazzytrumpet
>> I volunteer for Bookshare, to find out more and to volunteer with us,visit: http://www.bookshare.org/
>> Need more space, come join dropbox and start with two gigs of free space and 500 Megabytes as is this is my referral link to you: http://db.tt/XpUTe0E
>> --
>> 
>> On 9/13/2013 5:10 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>> People forget that school is the best opportunity to build basic
>>> skills that will be invaluable when you enter the world of work.
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:55 PM
>>> To: ccb-l at ccbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>>> 
>>> Since I don't have either of those items to this day, I think you are
>>> being just a tad unreasonable.  Kind of like demanding a Cadilac when
>>> you should be riding a bike.
>>> 
>>> Boy!  The days when we took our own braille writers to school or work
>>> sure have changed.
>>> 
>>> Are there computers at the school for each student?  If so, then it
>>> would certainly be appropriate for the college to see that you have
>>> equal access, probably by equipping one with speech, though having
>>> said this I brought my own outboard speech with me to the first
>>> computer class I took.
>>> 
>>> You really need to be careful about your demanfs I think.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org [mailto:ccb-l-bounces at ccbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:54 PM
>>> To: Andy Baracco; ccb-l
>>> Subject: Re: [CCB-L] Note-Taking Devices
>>> 
>>> Hi, Andy,
>>> 
>>> Me too, I huge page slate. Never faled me.At
>>> 08:21 PM 9/12/2013, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>>> When I was in school, I used a slate and stylus.
>>>> In fact, I used that combo all the way through
>>>> college and grad school, and they served me
>>>> well. I do not recall them ever crashing, or any
>>>> mechanical failure of any kind. Andy
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chela Robles
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:30 PM To:
>>>> undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [CCB-L]
>>>> Note-Taking Devices Hello all, I have told you
>>>> while back that I'm going to take the
>>>> Administrative Assistant Program starting
>>>> October 21st and through the summer of 2014 at
>>>> Mt. Diablo Adult Education School in my
>>>> hometown, Concord, California and I have made a
>>>> list in conjunction with the financial aid
>>>> adviser who will be working with my counselor
>>>> and I to make sure I succeed. A couple of the
>>>> items I listed I think are note-taking
>>>> possibilities a windows professional 7 equipped
>>>> laptop and the Braille Focus 14 display. My
>>>> question to all of you since I'm not going to
>>>> divulge my whole list which is only ten items,
>>>> which I'm sure you guys don't wish to read
>>>> unless I'm wrong about that then let me know.
>>>> Anyway my question is what do you guys use for
>>>> taking notes in school? Several people from the
>>>> IOs listserv I'm on say they use their IPads,
>>>> IPhones, IPod Touches, MacBookPro's, while
>>>> others use PC Laptops in conjunction with
>>>> braille displays that have the braille keyboard
>>>> integrated with the laptop while still others
>>>> use just the braille display because it has
>>>> note-taking functionality itself, yet others
>>>> still stick to the classic note-takers such as
>>>> from Humanware or the pac mate from Freedom
>>>> Scientific which mine didn't last. I just really
>>>> think personally it would be easier to take the
>>>> laptop and the braille display along with the
>>>> digital recorder I have from Olympus to record
>>>> lectures, but I want to make sure I know what
>>>> others are using but to me it sounds like a lot
>>>> of people are using their IDevices or Braille
>>>> displays in conjunction with the IDevices or as
>>>> a stand-alone note-taker, or in conjunction or
>>>> without laptops whether from Apple or PC-based,
>>>> now, but correct me if I'm wrong, but there are
>>>> still those who use the older technology such as
>>>> what I mentioned before from Freedom Scientific
>>>> which again my Pac Mate did retire and I'd not
>>>> get one again. I'd like to know before 8AM PST.
>>>> Tomorrow. I don't want to limit myself yet I
>>>> want to make sure I don't break Rehab's budget
>>>> smiles. I have a meeting tomorrow with a tech
>>>> evaluator name Steven Clark from Adaptive
>>>> Technology Services, even though I already gave
>>>> him the list, I'd still like to know what others
>>>> are using to take notes in classes nowadays.
>>>> Thanks for your kind responses. Chela Robles -- -- Teachers have a
>>>> sacred task: It is to give
>>>> children the skills to understand the world and
>>>> an expectation that the world is a trustworthy
>>>> place; that it is full of light, and love, and
>>>> music and that each student deserves--and will
>>>> have--their own place in it and the chance to
>>>> play their own song. And, as much of these
>>>> expectations are transmitted non-verballyâ€”and in
>>>> ChelaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s case--out of sightâ€¦it is is the voice
>>>> and touch of a Teacher that sheds light on what
>>>> the world can be. Academicsâ€”and no one will ever
>>>> channge my mind on thisâ€”take a distant second
>>>> place. â€”Dr.Dr. Bil Hawkins -- Chela Robles a
>>>> Nationally Certified person in Customer Service,
>>>> certified by the National Retail Federation
>>>> Foundation (NRF): http://www.nrffoundation.com/
>>>> E-mail: cdrobles693 at gmail.com Windows Live
>>>> Messenger: cdrobles693 at hotmail.com Skype:
>>>> jazzytrumpet I volunteer for Bookshare, to find
>>>> out more and to volunteer with us,visit:
>>>> http://www.bookshare.org/ Need more space, come
>>>> join dropbox and start with two gigs of free
>>>> space and 500 Megabytes as is this is my
>>>> referral link to you: http://db.tt/XpUTe0E --
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