[Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 127, Issue 2
Jordan Mirander
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> 3. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Brandon Keith Biggs)
> 4. TOMORROW: Affordable Housing Event (Cervenka, Stacy at DOR)
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> I mean smile.amazon.com Hey did you guys know I just donated $.50 to our affiliate just by doing my online shopping through smile. And it's on.com
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>> 1. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31 (Dennis Russak)
>> 2. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31 (Jordan Mirander)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:15:02 -0800
>> From: Dennis Russak <russakdennis at gmail.com>
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
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>> I've been reading carefully the last two NFBC-Info Digests relating to the "driverless car." While I do believe that a person should have to have a driver's license, we would be able to add to the people who could qualify for these licenses, such as blind people. Also, I would want to see some way of taking over the vehicle manually, in case the technology develops some kind of malfunction.
>>
>> Responding to Mary's take on all of this, yes, I do believe that we must trust our brothers and sisters who work at Google and are monitoring the situation, but we as run-of-the-mill consumers must also keep ourselves apprised of the situation, so we may have a major imput as to the development of these regulations, both by our State Department of motor vehicles, as well as the Feds.
>>
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>> Subject: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
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>>> 1. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Mary Willows)
>>> 2. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Chad Allen)
>>> 3. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29 (Jordan Mirander)
>>> 4. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (David)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:34:21 com0800
>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <005201d12adc$f333e050$d99ba0f0$@sbcglobal.net>
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>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>> MW
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>> 925-462-8575
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via Nfbc-info
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>
>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .. . .
>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>> year's end.
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:03:32 com0800
>>> From: Chad Allen <chad at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <E2037110-8D2E-4D87-A08D-A37E146DC630 at chadallenmagic.com>
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>>> If there is an opportunity to do so, the affiliate could consider aiding in the passage of a California Resolution in our State legislature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Mary Willows via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>>> MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:53:07 com0800
>>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
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>>> Why fly them? If I go which I probably will not I would fly American Airlines or southwest airlines because I know people who work there
>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>> 1. For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC)
>>>> 2. Re: For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Mary Willows)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:21:27 com0800
>>>> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals
>>>> today only
>>>> Message-ID: <341B2836-6A75-4BBA-B7BE-732E6B726070 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:43 com0800
>>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline
>>>> deals today only
>>>> Message-ID: <00fe01d12959$9df3be00$d9db3a00$@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
>>>> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 11:21 AM
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly
>>>> for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar
>>>> deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a
>>>> heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
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>>>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:52:07 com0800
>>> From: David <BearSFO at PacBell.NET>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <584821.85230.bm at smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>>>
>>> I am not sure I am following you ? there is nothing in the current
>>> legistlation is stopping persons diagnosed with dementia or
>>> individuals on the terrorist watch list from accessing
>>> driver-required vehicles, so why should be there be new rules that
>>> stops them from doing so?
>>>
>>> There might be an argument with children, but if there is no
>>> requirement for driver license, then why should they be excluded
>>> too? I would imagine they might actually be safer being in
>>> driverless vehicles than trying to get somewhere with public
>>> transportation or on foot by themselves. I would further argue that
>>> persons diagnosed with dementia would also be safer in driverless
>>> vehicles, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> I do, however, agree, and it seems to be the issue at hand, that a
>>> licensed driver should not be required behind the wheel of a
>>> driverless, or self driving, vehicle.
>>>
>>> ?David
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:44 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> True, driverless car operators need not be required to possess a driver's
>>>> license, however, there needs to be some standards to prevent children,
>>>> persons diagnosed with dementia or, yes, individuals on the terrorist watch
>>>> list from accessing driverless vehicles .
>>>>
>>>> From,
>>>> Lisa Irving
>>>> ----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> by Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> by reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> ******************************************
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:52 -0800
>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
>> Message-ID: <882229C8-D775-49FF-97A2-FC76E286801E at icloud.com>
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>> Please if you have not done so already go onto www.change.org, and sign the petition entitled Lily Grace needs her long white cane. I don't how I would feel without my cane I would feel so lost hope this adequate we can definitely symbolism is independence this petition only need 731 signatures.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Mary Willows)
>>> 2. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Chad Allen)
>>> 3. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29 (Jordan Mirander)
>>> 4. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (David)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:34:21 -0800
>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <005201d12adc$f333e050$d99ba0f0$@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>> MW
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>> 925-462-8575
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via Nfbc-info
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>
>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> . . .
>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>> year's end.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Nfbc-info:
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>>> net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:03:32 -0800
>>> From: Chad Allen <chad at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <E2037110-8D2E-4D87-A08D-A37E146DC630 at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> If there is an opportunity to do so, the affiliate could consider aiding in the passage of a California Resolution in our State legislature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Mary Willows via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>>> MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> Nfbc-info:
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>>>> net
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/chad%40chadallenmagic.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:53:07 -0800
>>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>> Message-ID: <68E39E43-0692-4728-AE38-3D7EA2B86F80 at icloud.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Why fly them? If I go which I probably will not I would fly American Airlines or southwest airlines because I know people who work there
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Send Nfbc-info mailing list submissions to
>>>> nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC)
>>>> 2. Re: For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Mary Willows)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:21:27 -0800
>>>> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals
>>>> today only
>>>> Message-ID: <341B2836-6A75-4BBA-B7BE-732E6B726070 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:43 -0800
>>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline
>>>> deals today only
>>>> Message-ID: <00fe01d12959$9df3be00$d9db3a00$@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
>>>> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 11:21 AM
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly
>>>> for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar
>>>> deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a
>>>> heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:52:07 -0800
>>> From: David <BearSFO at PacBell.NET>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <584821.85230.bm at smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure I am following you - there is nothing in the current
>>> legistlation is stopping persons diagnosed with dementia or
>>> individuals on the terrorist watch list from accessing
>>> driver-required vehicles, so why should be there be new rules that
>>> stops them from doing so?
>>>
>>> There might be an argument with children, but if there is no
>>> requirement for driver license, then why should they be excluded
>>> too? I would imagine they might actually be safer being in
>>> driverless vehicles than trying to get somewhere with public
>>> transportation or on foot by themselves. I would further argue that
>>> persons diagnosed with dementia would also be safer in driverless
>>> vehicles, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> I do, however, agree, and it seems to be the issue at hand, that a
>>> licensed driver should not be required behind the wheel of a
>>> driverless, or self driving, vehicle.
>>>
>>> --David
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:44 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> True, driverless car operators need not be required to possess a driver's
>>>> license, however, there needs to be some standards to prevent children,
>>>> persons diagnosed with dementia or, yes, individuals on the terrorist watch
>>>> list from accessing driverless vehicles .
>>>>
>>>> From,
>>>> Lisa Irving
>>>> ----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> Nfbc-info:
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>>>> .net
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
>>> ******************************************
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 127, Issue 1
>> *****************************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 16:28:41 -0800
> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 127, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <E084FF40-DC97-4730-B648-FB0FB8D5ABB0 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> The CSUN 31st international conference, is coming up on March 21 to 26. I feel that we should have a table there, or make our presence felt at this conference in some way, shape, or form. This would be a great time to exhibit our KNFB reader application, and to recruit members.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>
>> Send Nfbc-info mailing list submissions to
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>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31 (Dennis Russak)
>> 2. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31 (Jordan Mirander)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:15:02 -0800
>> From: Dennis Russak <russakdennis at gmail.com>
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
>> Message-ID: <20151130211502.russakdennis at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> I've been reading carefully the last two NFBC-Info Digests relating to the "driverless car." While I do believe that a person should have to have a driver's license, we would be able to add to the people who could qualify for these licenses, such as blind people. Also, I would want to see some way of taking over the vehicle manually, in case the technology develops some kind of malfunction.
>>
>> Responding to Mary's take on all of this, yes, I do believe that we must trust our brothers and sisters who work at Google and are monitoring the situation, but we as run-of-the-mill consumers must also keep ourselves apprised of the situation, so we may have a major imput as to the development of these regulations, both by our State Department of motor vehicles, as well as the Feds.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Monday, November 30, 2015 4:00 am
>> Subject: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send Nfbc-info mailing list submissions to
>>> nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>
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>>> than "Re: Contents of Nfbc-info digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Mary Willows)
>>> 2. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Chad Allen)
>>> 3. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29 (Jordan Mirander)
>>> 4. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (David)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:34:21 com0800
>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <005201d12adc$f333e050$d99ba0f0$@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
>>>
>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>> MW
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>> 925-462-8575
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via Nfbc-info
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>
>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .. . .
>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>> year's end.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Nfbc-info:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/mwillows%40sbcglobal.
>>> net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:03:32 com0800
>>> From: Chad Allen <chad at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <E2037110-8D2E-4D87-A08D-A37E146DC630 at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> If there is an opportunity to do so, the affiliate could consider aiding in the passage of a California Resolution in our State legislature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Mary Willows via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>>> MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> Nfbc-info:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/mwillows%40sbcglobal.
>>>> net
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfbc-info:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/chad%40chadallenmagic.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:53:07 com0800
>>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>> Message-ID: <68E39E43-0692-4728-AE38-3D7EA2B86F80 at icloud.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Why fly them? If I go which I probably will not I would fly American Airlines or southwest airlines because I know people who work there
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC)
>>>> 2. Re: For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Mary Willows)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:21:27 com0800
>>>> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals
>>>> today only
>>>> Message-ID: <341B2836-6A75-4BBA-B7BE-732E6B726070 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:43 com0800
>>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline
>>>> deals today only
>>>> Message-ID: <00fe01d12959$9df3be00$d9db3a00$@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
>>>> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 11:21 AM
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly
>>>> for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar
>>>> deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a
>>>> heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:52:07 com0800
>>> From: David <BearSFO at PacBell.NET>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <584821.85230.bm at smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure I am following you ? there is nothing in the current
>>> legistlation is stopping persons diagnosed with dementia or
>>> individuals on the terrorist watch list from accessing
>>> driver-required vehicles, so why should be there be new rules that
>>> stops them from doing so?
>>>
>>> There might be an argument with children, but if there is no
>>> requirement for driver license, then why should they be excluded
>>> too? I would imagine they might actually be safer being in
>>> driverless vehicles than trying to get somewhere with public
>>> transportation or on foot by themselves. I would further argue that
>>> persons diagnosed with dementia would also be safer in driverless
>>> vehicles, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> I do, however, agree, and it seems to be the issue at hand, that a
>>> licensed driver should not be required behind the wheel of a
>>> driverless, or self driving, vehicle.
>>>
>>> ?David
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:44 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> True, driverless car operators need not be required to possess a driver's
>>>> license, however, there needs to be some standards to prevent children,
>>>> persons diagnosed with dementia or, yes, individuals on the terrorist watch
>>>> list from accessing driverless vehicles .
>>>>
>>>> From,
>>>> Lisa Irving
>>>> ----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> by Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> by reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
>>> ******************************************
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:52 -0800
>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
>> Message-ID: <882229C8-D775-49FF-97A2-FC76E286801E at icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Please if you have not done so already go onto www.change.org, and sign the petition entitled Lily Grace needs her long white cane. I don't how I would feel without my cane I would feel so lost hope this adequate we can definitely symbolism is independence this petition only need 731 signatures.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Mary Willows)
>>> 2. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Chad Allen)
>>> 3. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29 (Jordan Mirander)
>>> 4. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (David)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:34:21 -0800
>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <005201d12adc$f333e050$d99ba0f0$@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>> MW
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>> 925-462-8575
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via Nfbc-info
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>
>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> . . .
>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>> year's end.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
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>>> net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:03:32 -0800
>>> From: Chad Allen <chad at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <E2037110-8D2E-4D87-A08D-A37E146DC630 at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> If there is an opportunity to do so, the affiliate could consider aiding in the passage of a California Resolution in our State legislature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Mary Willows via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>>> MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:53:07 -0800
>>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>> Message-ID: <68E39E43-0692-4728-AE38-3D7EA2B86F80 at icloud.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Why fly them? If I go which I probably will not I would fly American Airlines or southwest airlines because I know people who work there
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Send Nfbc-info mailing list submissions to
>>>> nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>>
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>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
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>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Nfbc-info digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC)
>>>> 2. Re: For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Mary Willows)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:21:27 -0800
>>>> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals
>>>> today only
>>>> Message-ID: <341B2836-6A75-4BBA-B7BE-732E6B726070 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:43 -0800
>>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline
>>>> deals today only
>>>> Message-ID: <00fe01d12959$9df3be00$d9db3a00$@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
>>>> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 11:21 AM
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly
>>>> for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar
>>>> deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a
>>>> heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> Nfbc-info:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/mwillows%40sbcglobal.
>>>> net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:52:07 -0800
>>> From: David <BearSFO at PacBell.NET>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <584821.85230.bm at smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure I am following you - there is nothing in the current
>>> legistlation is stopping persons diagnosed with dementia or
>>> individuals on the terrorist watch list from accessing
>>> driver-required vehicles, so why should be there be new rules that
>>> stops them from doing so?
>>>
>>> There might be an argument with children, but if there is no
>>> requirement for driver license, then why should they be excluded
>>> too? I would imagine they might actually be safer being in
>>> driverless vehicles than trying to get somewhere with public
>>> transportation or on foot by themselves. I would further argue that
>>> persons diagnosed with dementia would also be safer in driverless
>>> vehicles, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> I do, however, agree, and it seems to be the issue at hand, that a
>>> licensed driver should not be required behind the wheel of a
>>> driverless, or self driving, vehicle.
>>>
>>> --David
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:44 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> True, driverless car operators need not be required to possess a driver's
>>>> license, however, there needs to be some standards to prevent children,
>>>> persons diagnosed with dementia or, yes, individuals on the terrorist watch
>>>> list from accessing driverless vehicles .
>>>>
>>>> From,
>>>> Lisa Irving
>>>> ----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> Nfbc-info:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/peacefulwoman89%40cox
>>>> .net
>>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 04:26:33 +0100
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
> Message-ID: <565E64E9.1010704 at gmail.com>
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> Hello,
> It would be just fine if I could send my car over to pick up my child.
> As long as no one else had the key and my child knew what car they
> needed to get into, I would have no problem sending a car to pick them up.
> Now supervision in the car is another matter...
> But empty cars driving should be fine (maybe not ethical though).
> My question is though, why is the government not buying up driverless
> cars as fast as they can and instituting an Uber for driverless cars
> nation wide? That is what I would like! (Super inexpensive Uber).
> thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
>> On 11/30/2015 4:52 AM, David via Nfbc-info wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure I am following you - there is nothing in the current
>> legistlation is stopping persons diagnosed with dementia or
>> individuals on the terrorist watch list from accessing driver-required
>> vehicles, so why should be there be new rules that stops them from
>> doing so?
>>
>> There might be an argument with children, but if there is no
>> requirement for driver license, then why should they be excluded too?
>> I would imagine they might actually be safer being in driverless
>> vehicles than trying to get somewhere with public transportation or on
>> foot by themselves. I would further argue that persons diagnosed
>> with dementia would also be safer in driverless vehicles, for obvious
>> reasons.
>>
>> I do, however, agree, and it seems to be the issue at hand, that a
>> licensed driver should not be required behind the wheel of a
>> driverless, or self driving, vehicle.
>>
>> --David
>>
>>
>> At 09:44 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> True, driverless car operators need not be required to possess a
>>> driver's
>>> license, however, there needs to be some standards to prevent children,
>>> persons diagnosed with dementia or, yes, individuals on the
>>> terrorist watch
>>> list from accessing driverless vehicles .
>>>
>>> From,
>>> Lisa Irving
>>> ----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Tim Elder
>>> via Nfbc-info
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>
>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car
>>> regulations
>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not
>>> be a
>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the
>>> time to
>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> . . .
>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement
>>> Monday,
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said
>>> that
>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being
>>> updated.
>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to
>>> reflect
>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to
>>> our roads
>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be,
>>> but the
>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in
>>> states
>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as
>>> safely as
>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so
>>> that
>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on
>>> word of
>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal
>>> update
>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued
>>> discussion
>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>> year's end.
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 04:15:28 +0000
> From: "Cervenka, Stacy at DOR" <Stacy.Cervenka at dor.ca.gov>
> To: "'nfbc-info at nfbnet.org'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>,
> "'riverviewcafe.jose at gmail.com'" <riverviewcafe.jose at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] TOMORROW: Affordable Housing Event
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> "The Hunt for Affordable Housing?
> A half day seminar to learn about affordable places to live in the Sacramento region.
> Join the Society for the Blind and the Hatlen Center, a program of Junior Blind, on Wednesday, December 2nd as we hear presentations from the Capital Area Development Authority (CADA) and Mercy Housing on affordable apartment and housing opportunities and resources available in the Sacramento region. Attendees will leave the seminar with knowledge on how to apply for affordable housing in the region, how to qualify for housing, where to gain additional financial resources and the ability to network with presenters.
> The seminar will conclude with brief presentations from the Society for the Blind and Junior Blind, who will provide information for attendees on local resources from recreation to support groups and employment options
> Light refreshments will be served.
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2015
> Location: Society for the Blind, 1238 S. Street
> Sacramento CA 95811
> Time: 10:00 AM ? 2:00 PM
> RSVP: For more information, please call 916.452.8271 or email rrueda at juniorblind.org<mailto:rrueda at juniorblind.org>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 22:40:50 -0800
> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 127, Issue 1
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> You mean we have people working on the driverless car project? Then why not have them exhibit their products at the national convention in Orlando, and at our state convention in el set undo?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>
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>> 2. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31 (Jordan Mirander)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:15:02 -0800
>> From: Dennis Russak <russakdennis at gmail.com>
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
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>> I've been reading carefully the last two NFBC-Info Digests relating to the "driverless car." While I do believe that a person should have to have a driver's license, we would be able to add to the people who could qualify for these licenses, such as blind people. Also, I would want to see some way of taking over the vehicle manually, in case the technology develops some kind of malfunction.
>>
>> Responding to Mary's take on all of this, yes, I do believe that we must trust our brothers and sisters who work at Google and are monitoring the situation, but we as run-of-the-mill consumers must also keep ourselves apprised of the situation, so we may have a major imput as to the development of these regulations, both by our State Department of motor vehicles, as well as the Feds.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Monday, November 30, 2015 4:00 am
>> Subject: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Mary Willows)
>>> 2. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Chad Allen)
>>> 3. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29 (Jordan Mirander)
>>> 4. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (David)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:34:21 com0800
>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <005201d12adc$f333e050$d99ba0f0$@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
>>>
>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>> MW
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>> 925-462-8575
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via Nfbc-info
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>
>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .. . .
>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>> year's end.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:03:32 com0800
>>> From: Chad Allen <chad at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <E2037110-8D2E-4D87-A08D-A37E146DC630 at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> If there is an opportunity to do so, the affiliate could consider aiding in the passage of a California Resolution in our State legislature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Mary Willows via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>>> MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:53:07 com0800
>>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>> Message-ID: <68E39E43-0692-4728-AE38-3D7EA2B86F80 at icloud.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Why fly them? If I go which I probably will not I would fly American Airlines or southwest airlines because I know people who work there
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC)
>>>> 2. Re: For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Mary Willows)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:21:27 com0800
>>>> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals
>>>> today only
>>>> Message-ID: <341B2836-6A75-4BBA-B7BE-732E6B726070 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:43 com0800
>>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline
>>>> deals today only
>>>> Message-ID: <00fe01d12959$9df3be00$d9db3a00$@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
>>>> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 11:21 AM
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly
>>>> for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar
>>>> deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a
>>>> heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:52:07 com0800
>>> From: David <BearSFO at PacBell.NET>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <584821.85230.bm at smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure I am following you ? there is nothing in the current
>>> legistlation is stopping persons diagnosed with dementia or
>>> individuals on the terrorist watch list from accessing
>>> driver-required vehicles, so why should be there be new rules that
>>> stops them from doing so?
>>>
>>> There might be an argument with children, but if there is no
>>> requirement for driver license, then why should they be excluded
>>> too? I would imagine they might actually be safer being in
>>> driverless vehicles than trying to get somewhere with public
>>> transportation or on foot by themselves. I would further argue that
>>> persons diagnosed with dementia would also be safer in driverless
>>> vehicles, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> I do, however, agree, and it seems to be the issue at hand, that a
>>> licensed driver should not be required behind the wheel of a
>>> driverless, or self driving, vehicle.
>>>
>>> ?David
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:44 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> True, driverless car operators need not be required to possess a driver's
>>>> license, however, there needs to be some standards to prevent children,
>>>> persons diagnosed with dementia or, yes, individuals on the terrorist watch
>>>> list from accessing driverless vehicles .
>>>>
>>>> From,
>>>> Lisa Irving
>>>> ----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> by Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> by reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:52 -0800
>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 31
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>> Please if you have not done so already go onto www.change.org, and sign the petition entitled Lily Grace needs her long white cane. I don't how I would feel without my cane I would feel so lost hope this adequate we can definitely symbolism is independence this petition only need 731 signatures.
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (Mary Willows)
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>>> 3. Re: Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29 (Jordan Mirander)
>>> 4. Re: Driverless Car Regulations Update (David)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:34:21 -0800
>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <005201d12adc$f333e050$d99ba0f0$@sbcglobal.net>
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>>>
>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>> MW
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>> 925-462-8575
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via Nfbc-info
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>
>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> . . .
>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>> year's end.
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:03:32 -0800
>>> From: Chad Allen <chad at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <E2037110-8D2E-4D87-A08D-A37E146DC630 at chadallenmagic.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> If there is an opportunity to do so, the affiliate could consider aiding in the passage of a California Resolution in our State legislature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Mary Willows via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are you suggesting? Doesn't the NFB already have people working on
>>>> this project? Monitoring progress? Working for Google?
>>>> MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:53:07 -0800
>>> From: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 126, Issue 29
>>> Message-ID: <68E39E43-0692-4728-AE38-3D7EA2B86F80 at icloud.com>
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>>> Why fly them? If I go which I probably will not I would fly American Airlines or southwest airlines because I know people who work there
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC)
>>>> 2. Re: For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today only
>>>> (Mary Willows)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:21:27 -0800
>>>> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals
>>>> today only
>>>> Message-ID: <341B2836-6A75-4BBA-B7BE-732E6B726070 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:43 -0800
>>>> From: "Mary Willows" <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline
>>>> deals today only
>>>> Message-ID: <00fe01d12959$9df3be00$d9db3a00$@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. MW
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.
>>>> You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California (NFBC)
>>>> 3934 Kern Court
>>>> Pleasanton, CA 94588
>>>> 925-462-8575
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Mary Willows, President NFBC
>>>> mwillows at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
>>>> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 11:21 AM
>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] For Washington seminar attendees airline deals today
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgin America has deals going on today only. From the bay area you can fly
>>>> for 159 each way to Washington Dulles Airport. I'm sure there are similar
>>>> deals from other airports throughout California. Thought I would give a
>>>> heads up to those going to Washington seminar.
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>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:52:07 -0800
>>> From: David <BearSFO at PacBell.NET>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>> Message-ID: <584821.85230.bm at smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>>>
>>> I am not sure I am following you - there is nothing in the current
>>> legistlation is stopping persons diagnosed with dementia or
>>> individuals on the terrorist watch list from accessing
>>> driver-required vehicles, so why should be there be new rules that
>>> stops them from doing so?
>>>
>>> There might be an argument with children, but if there is no
>>> requirement for driver license, then why should they be excluded
>>> too? I would imagine they might actually be safer being in
>>> driverless vehicles than trying to get somewhere with public
>>> transportation or on foot by themselves. I would further argue that
>>> persons diagnosed with dementia would also be safer in driverless
>>> vehicles, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> I do, however, agree, and it seems to be the issue at hand, that a
>>> licensed driver should not be required behind the wheel of a
>>> driverless, or self driving, vehicle.
>>>
>>> --David
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:44 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> True, driverless car operators need not be required to possess a driver's
>>>> license, however, there needs to be some standards to prevent children,
>>>> persons diagnosed with dementia or, yes, individuals on the terrorist watch
>>>> list from accessing driverless vehicles .
>>>>
>>>> From,
>>>> Lisa Irving
>>>> ----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>> via Nfbc-info
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>>>> Cc: Tim Elder; Bryan Bashin
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Driverless Car Regulations Update
>>>>
>>>> Our affiliate ought to keep an eye on the below Driverless Car regulations
>>>> and ensure we are aligning with Google's approach. There should not be a
>>>> requirement that a licensed driver be behind the wheel. Now is the time to
>>>> pay attention to this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>> California's Department of Motor Vehicles in particular has asked for
>>>> federal guidance as it struggles with how to move the cars safely from
>>>> small-scale road tests to broader adoption. In a written statement Monday,
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation spokeswoman Suzanne Emmerling said that
>>>> with rapid development of the technology, federal policy is being updated.
>>>> "Breathtaking progress has been made," Emmerling wrote. She said
>>>> Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx ordered his department's National
>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update its 2013 policy "to reflect
>>>> today's technology and his sense of urgency to bring innovation to our roads
>>>> that will make them safer. It's unclear what the new policy will be, but the
>>>> tone of the statement signaled that Foxx is interested in endorsing the
>>>> technology. Language that the agency is revisiting specifies that in states
>>>> where the public can get access to the cars, a licensed driver should be
>>>> behind the wheel. Google has argued that once cars can drive as safely as
>>>> humans, it would be better to remove the steering wheel and pedals so that
>>>> people don't mess up the ride. A Google spokesman had no comment on word of
>>>> the federal review. The California State Transportation Agency has
>>>> interpreted the 2013 federal guidance as urging caution. The federal update
>>>> "reaffirms that the topic is evolving and one worthy of continued discussion
>>>> and public input," spokeswoman Melissa Figueroa said. She said the
>>>> Department of Motor Vehicles is working to publish draft regulations by
>>>> year's end.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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