[Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 116, Issue 8
Dennis Russak
russakdennis at gmail.com
Sat Jan 10 16:15:28 UTC 2015
Good morning everybody:
Just before I leave for our River City Chapter meeting here in Sacramento this morning, I just wanted to take time out to comment on this morning Digest.
After reading most of it, (I don't have time to finish it this morning), I must agree with the final thoughts expressed on this subject. What I think we need to work on, is (in as courteous and firm way as possible), is to get the media somehow to stop insulting us with their drivel about how amazing we are when we just look at someone or just perform our everyday tasks on terms of equality with everyone else, because we are just like everyone else. This is the real problem. Mr. McIntyre obviously has talent, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten on American Idol in the first place. It's good to have someone with his abilities as a supporter!
So yes, I think we need to support him, while doing what we possibly can
to change the media's perception of all of us.
Dennis Russak
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> 1. blind Idol contestant (Lisa Irving)
> 2. Re: blind Idol contestant (Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC)
> 3. Re: blind Idol contestant (Kevan Worley)
> 4. Re: blind Idol contestant (Brian Buhrow)
> 5. Re: blind Idol contestant (BrianMiller)
> 6. full news story about blind singer (Lisa Irving)
> 7. Re: full news story about blind singer (Darian)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 04:06:01 com0800
> From: "Lisa Irving" <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>
> To: <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
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> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I came across a nauseating news clip about a blind man who tried out for
> American Idol. What troubles me is why this man was featured. He is
> described, —you guessed it, "Amazing". I wonder if he was given a golden
> ticket on the basis of talent, blindness or perhaps both.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Lisa Irving the news clip is the way the media singled out this talented
> individual
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 07:53:48 com0800
> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
> To: Lisa Irving <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>, NFB of California List
> <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
> Message-ID: <0A873F7A-E846-476E-9674-4C5A4ADA3BD4 at gmail.com>
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> It's Scott McIntyre all over again?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 9, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I came across a nauseating news clip about a blind man who tried out for
> > American Idol. What troubles me is why this man was featured. He is
> > described, —you guessed it, "Amazing". I wonder if he was given a golden
> > ticket on the basis of talent, blindness or perhaps both.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Lisa Irving the news clip is the way the media singled out this talented
> > individual
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:07:49 com0700
> From: Kevan Worley <kevanworley at blindmerchants.org>
> To: "'Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC'" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>, 'Ationfb of
> California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>, 'Lisa Irving'
> <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
> Message-ID: <001101d02c47$f4c9f240$de5dd6c0$@blindmerchants.org>
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> Hi. Interesting observation. You could be right. I have never seen the clip.
> I would only say that Scott McIntyre was on American Idol in 2008. He was
> highly competitive, making the elite 8. He is very supportive of the
> National Federation of the Blind, participating at our recent BLAST
> conference.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 8:54 AM
> To: Lisa Irving; NFB of California List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
>
> It's Scott McIntyre all over again?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 9, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info
> <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I came across a nauseating news clip about a blind man who tried out
> > for American Idol. What troubles me is why this man was featured. He
> > is described, —you guessed it, "Amazing". I wonder if he was given a
> > golden ticket on the basis of talent, blindness or perhaps both.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Lisa Irving the news clip is the way the media singled out this
> > talented individual
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:09:04 com0800
> From: Brian Buhrow <buhrow at nfbcal.org>
> To: Kevan Worley <kevanworley at blindmerchants.org>, NFB of California
> List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>, "'Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC'"
> <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>, "'Lisa Irving'" <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>
> Cc: buhrow at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
> Message-ID: <201501092109.t09L94c3016221 at lothlorien.nfbcal.org>
>
> hello. I don't mean to be a rotten egg, but I'm troubled by the trend
> I see on this list of discounting the accomplishments of our fellow blind
> citizens. Recently we had the discussion of the blind judge in Michigan
> who was elected to the top court of the state and how his techniques
> couldn't possibly be working for him as well as they should be. I noted in
> my contribution to that discussion that he contributed 1.8 million dollars
> of his own money to his campaign. I don't know about anyone else on this
> list, but if a blind guy is working for a living and he has 1.8 million
> dollars to contribute to his own campaign, I'd say he's doing something
> right and we just don't have all the details.
>
> Now, we have this discussion starting with the American Idol
> competitor. I don't know who this guy is, nor do I know how good or bad he
> is at his craft. What I do know is that he has a right to compete for a
> spot on the show and if he's good enough to get on for a while, that's
> great!
>
> I encourage everyone on this list to re-listen to or re-read Dr.
> Jernigan's speeches: The Nature of Independence (1993) and Blindness: The
> Pattern of Freedom (1985). None of us, blind or sighted, is good at
> everything we try. Nor is it the case that we use the tools available to
> us in the most efficient way possible all the time or, in some cases, even
> some of the time. There are plenty of nay sayers who would have us blind
> folks sitting at home in our rocking chairs listening to the radio. As a
> group, we shouldn't be doing that. We should be encouraging our fellow
> blind to get out and try new stuff, compete in mainstream competitions and
> otherwise try to live the lives they want. If they're having trouble
> doing it or if they are creating more stereotypes in the process, we should
> figure out how to reach out and see if they're willing to consider doing
> what they're doing in a different manner.
>
> Let's figure out how to encourage and educate those of us who are out
> there reaching for the brass ring rather than opining that they're not
> doing it right or with the best attitude known to the community. If this
> knew American Idol contestant, who happens to be blind, is good, he should
> win. If not, then he shouldn't. In any case, he should feel free to
> compete and we should encourage him to do it no matter how we feel about
> his actual musical talent. then, we should get to know him and help assure
> that he feels good about trying new things going forward and learning
> blindness skills along the way.
>
> Ok, that's enough soap boxing. Except that I've included the links to
> the referenced speeches, below.
>
> comthanks
> comBrian
>
>
>
> The Nature of Independence (Dallas, 1993)
> https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/convent/addres93.htm
> (Audio): https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Audio/BanqSpeech/The_Nature_of_Independence.mp3
>
> Blindness: The Pattern of Freedom (Louisville, 1985)
> https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/convent/banque85.htm
> (Audio): https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Audio/BanqSpeech/BSP-1985.mp3
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:27:44 com0500
> From: "BrianMiller" <brianrmiller88 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Kevan Worley'" <kevanworley at blindmerchants.org>, "'NFB of
> California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>, "'Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC'"
> <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>, "'Lisa Irving'" <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
> Message-ID: <009701d02c53$1c43af90$54cb0eb0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
>
> I would add also that Scott's sister, Katelynn, is a very accomplished
> vocalist and musician herself, and was one of our national scholarship
> winners this past summer in Orlando. I think they both do a marvelous job
> of showing the world that blind people can compete at a very high level.
> The chances of getting to the top ten of American Idol are super slim, and
> no one gets there without lots of talent, determination, and personality.
>
> Brian Miller
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kevan
> Worley via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 3:08 PM
> To: 'Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC'; 'Ationfb of California List'; 'Lisa Irving'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
>
> Hi. Interesting observation. You could be right. I have never seen the clip.
> I would only say that Scott McIntyre was on American Idol in 2008. He was
> highly competitive, making the elite 8. He is very supportive of the
> National Federation of the Blind, participating at our recent BLAST
> conference.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria
> Martinez, NOMC via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 8:54 AM
> To: Lisa Irving; NFB of California List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] blind Idol contestant
>
> It's Scott McIntyre all over again?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 9, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info
> <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I came across a nauseating news clip about a blind man who tried out
> > for American Idol. What troubles me is why this man was featured. He
> > is described, —you guessed it, "Amazing". I wonder if he was given a
> > golden ticket on the basis of talent, blindness or perhaps both.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Lisa Irving the news clip is the way the media singled out this
> > talented individual
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 23:43:49 com0800
> From: "Lisa Irving" <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>
> To: <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] full news story about blind singer
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
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>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I've attached the article about the American Idol contestant who happens to
> be blind. In all fairness to the media they had a lot of positive things to
> say about this talented individual. I am still troubled about the "amazing"
> and "one super artist". Even the news reporter's remarks conveyed the tone;
> can you believe this blind man can actually sing? I am not a huge fan of
> country music but, I really liked the man's cowboy hat.
>
>
>
> Lisa Irving
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 00:30:21 com0800
> From: Darian <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: Lisa Irving <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net>, NFB of California List
> <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] full news story about blind singer
> Message-ID: <A5658E14-5AA2-4860-8C9A-2875311696DC at gmail.com>
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> Hi Lisa,
> Based upon what you have attached I can see nothing out of place or anything that could be particularly offensive.
> It seems like the only mention of his blindness is in mentioning that he was born blind. I think we can take this in a couple of directions; it can either be unnecessary that blindness is mentioned at all, or this can be used as another example of the fact that blind people are living the lives they want.
>
> It seems like The article applauds his vocal talents and only is vocal talents as opposed to the characteristic of blindness.
> However, I could be missing something completely. I look forward to the correctionsto my analysis, if in fact they are needed.
> Regards,
> Darian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 9, 2015, at 11:43 PM, Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I've attached the article about the American Idol contestant who happens to
> > be blind. In all fairness to the media they had a lot of positive things to
> > say about this talented individual. I am still troubled about the "amazing"
> > and "one super artist". Even the news reporter's remarks conveyed the tone;
> > can you believe this blind man can actually sing? I am not a huge fan of
> > country music but, I really liked the man's cowboy hat.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lisa Irving
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <full article about blind singer.docx>
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