[nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille!-$200discount onourBraille products

[Bryan Schulz]

liz,

what do you say to someone who can't read print due to vision loss and can't 
read braille due to diabetes or a brain injury?
Are you going to be ignorant and tell them they are illiterate?
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
To: "NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille!-$200discount 
onourBraille products


> Hi Chris. I do not know in which state you live, but most rehab agencies 
> are willing, as part of post-employment services, to invest in equipment. 
> This is especially so if your jobs requires you to sometimes work from 
> home.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Westbrook" <westbchris at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! -$200discount 
> onourBraille products
>
>
>> As much as I like braille and am a proponent of it, I've always thought 
>> the argument below was not valid.  Why?  Because braille is so much less 
>> available than print.  I think this is the big elephant in the room that 
>> no one wants to talk about.  I would love to have a braille display for 
>> home, but I just can't afford it.  I can't gedt state help either because 
>> I am already employed.  I don't understand why twenty years later braille 
>> displays are still just as much out of reach of the average blind person 
>> as they were when they were first made.  Yes there is hard copy braille, 
>> but it is huge and bulky compared to print.  Braille cannot really be 
>> compared to print because it is so much more costly to produce on a mass 
>> scale.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200discount 
>> onourBraille products
>>
>>
>>> One question, Dean.
>>>
>>> Can we tell public schools that they no longer need to waste a teacher's
>>> time on reading because most of the kids have been auditorilly reading 
>>> for
>>> years by the time they get to school and that is perfectly acceptable 
>>> for
>>> them to succeed?
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:25 PM
>>>> To: 'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200
>>>> discount onourBraille products
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to say that I agree with Everett, but at the same
>>>> time, the conversation isn't too useful and can take away
>>>> from the essential point.  I am a very literate person, using
>>>> both Braille and audio reading techniques quite effectively.
>>>> Nobody will tell me that I am not reading, processing
>>>> information, when I read auditorially.  At the same time, the
>>>> real point is that for a blind person to succeed in the world
>>>> of work and independent living, competency in Braille is
>>>> somewhere between highly beneficial and essential.  A blind
>>>> person without high Braille competence has many more
>>>> opportunities than one who does not.  So yes, non-braille
>>>> readers can be literate, but the more Braille one has, the better.
>>>>
>>>> Dean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:36 AM
>>>> To: NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200
>>>> discount on ourBraille products
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon Liz,
>>>>
>>>> What does literacy mean to you?  I would say that the least
>>>> important part
>>>> of litercy is the medium by which the symbols are acquired,
>>>> but is the
>>>> synthesis of the symbols into meaningful propositions.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, literacy is about successful communication,
>>>> not about the
>>>> means of communication, be it dots, ink or sound.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Everett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200
>>>> discount on
>>>> ourBraille products
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I don't mean to offend or start any major heated discussion,
>>>> but my own personal view is that if someone cannot read print
>>>> and doesn't know Braille, then they are, by all means,
>>>> illiterate. Just listening to audio or reading via a
>>>> screenreader on the computer, in my view, isn't actually
>>>> reading; that's having things reed to you. I'd be interested
>>>> in others' thoughts on this matter.
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts, for what they're worth,
>>>>
>>>> Liz
>>>>
>>>> email:
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>>>>
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