[nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille!- $200discountonourBraille products

Fri Jan 9 07:53:11 UTC 2009

Good evening,

I think we are dealing with a broken analogy here.  Why are we talking about 
a single source of information through auditory "reading"?

Each child who can read print can read whenever they have access to the 
book, each child who can listen to recordings or computer speech can read 
whenever they have the technology available, each child who can read in 
braille can read whenever they have braille text available.

Thanks,
Everett

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille!- 
$200discountonourBraille products

> If that is the rationale, then only the teacher would need a copy of any
> textbooks because she can read it to the kids.  They do not need their own
> copy to access the material.
>
> Cindy
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Westbrook
>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:01 AM
>> To: NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! -
>> $200discountonourBraille products
>>
>>
>> As much as I like braille and am a proponent of it, I've
>> always thought the
>> argument below was not valid.  Why?  Because braille is so much less
>> available than print.  I think this is the big elephant in
>> the room that no
>> one wants to talk about.  I would love to have a braille
>> display for home,
>> but I just can't afford it.  I can't gedt state help either
>> because I am
>> already employed.  I don't understand why twenty years later braille
>> displays are still just as much out of reach of the average
>> blind person as
>> they were when they were first made.  Yes there is hard copy
>> braille, but it
>> is huge and bulky compared to print.  Braille cannot really
>> be compared to
>> print because it is so much more costly to produce on a mass scale.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200discount
>> onourBraille products
>>
>>
>> > One question, Dean.
>> >
>> > Can we tell public schools that they no longer need to waste a
>> > teacher's time on reading because most of the kids have been
>> > auditorilly reading for years by the time they get to
>> school and that
>> > is perfectly acceptable for them to succeed?
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Dean Martineau
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:25 PM
>> >> To: 'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! -
>> $200 discount
>> >> onourBraille products
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have to say that I agree with Everett, but at the same time, the
>> >> conversation isn't too useful and can take away from the essential
>> >> point.  I am a very literate person, using both Braille and audio
>> >> reading techniques quite effectively. Nobody will tell me
>> that I am
>> >> not reading, processing information, when I read auditorially.  At
>> >> the same time, the real point is that for a blind person
>> to succeed
>> >> in the world of work and independent living, competency in
>> Braille is
>> >> somewhere between highly beneficial and essential.  A blind
>> >> person without high Braille competence has many more
>> >> opportunities than one who does not.  So yes, non-braille
>> >> readers can be literate, but the more Braille one has, the better.
>> >>
>> >> Dean
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:36 AM
>> >> To: NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! -
>> $200 discount
>> >> on ourBraille products
>> >>
>> >> Good afternoon Liz,
>> >>
>> >> What does literacy mean to you?  I would say that the
>> least important
>> >> part of litercy is the medium by which the symbols are acquired,
>> >> but is the
>> >> synthesis of the symbols into meaningful propositions.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, literacy is about successful
>> communication, not about
>> >> the means of communication, be it dots, ink or sound.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Everett
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:23 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200
>> >> discount on
>> >> ourBraille products
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I don't mean to offend or start any major heated
>> discussion, but my
>> >> own personal view is that if someone cannot read print and doesn't
>> >> know Braille, then they are, by all means, illiterate.
>> Just listening
>> >> to audio or reading via a screenreader on the computer, in
>> my view,
>> >> isn't actually reading; that's having things reed to you. I'd be
>> >> interested in others' thoughts on this matter.
>> >>
>> >> Just my thoughts, for what they're worth,
>> >>
>> >> Liz
>> >>
>> >> email:
>> >> liz.bottner at gmail.com
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>> >>
>> >>
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