[nfbcs] Voiceover with Word

Jim Barbour jbar at barcore.com
Fri Dec 28 16:54:31 UTC 2012 

Yep, this is correct.

Take Care Tracy,

Jim

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:26:40AM -0500, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> Thanks for all the info, everyone.
> It seems you are saying that a Mac user using Pages and a Windows user using
> Word can share the same doc seamlessly.  Is that correct?
> Thanks.
> Tracy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Voiceover with Word
> 
> 
> >yes, documents created in word or pages and and/or reversed keep their
> >visual integrity. another freebee. :-)
> >Gabe Vega
> >CEO
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> >On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Everyone,
> >>
> >>Tracy, I hope we have answered your question, which is that you should
> >>be able to do what you want but using something other than MS word for
> >>OSX.
> >>
> >>The rest of this email is aimed mostly a Gabe, but I'm posting it
> >>publicly.
> >>
> >>Gabe, I'm taking slight offense at your post, given that it was my post
> >>you replied to. You imply, but don't actually call out, that my
> >>guesswork was misleading.  I do admit to not researching everything I
> >>wrote here, which I made clear with phrases like "I think". However, I
> >>don't think you and I actually disagree about anything here, so I'm not
> >>sure what information I gave out you feel was misleading.
> >>
> >>Stripping away the implications about misleading guesswork, what I see
> >>is...
> >>
> >>* There are non-word programs that support reading and editing doc and
> >>docx files.
> >>
> >> Yep, we agree about that.  As I said, Tracy's sister can write
> >>documents in word and Tracy can read them using one of the OSX word
> >>processors.
> >>
> >>* Pages and word have feature parity.
> >>
> >> I'll take your word for this.
> >>
> >>And then, there was my other question.
> >>
> >>Can Pages, or other non MS-word word processors, modify documents
> >>originally created in MS word without the MS word user noticing unwanted
> >>visual formatting changes?
> >>
> >>This is the one I'm really not sure about, and the one that you didn't
> >>comment on.
> >>
> >>Thanks Everyone,
> >>
> >>Jim
> >>
> >>On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:02:23AM -0700, Gabe Vega wrote:
> >>>I write this, only so that you will get professional expert advice
> >>>with out all the guessing that has been going on here. I would hate
> >>>for you to be lead down the wrong path.
> >>>
> >>>1. mac os and most if not all apps on it support the Doc and the Docx
> >>>files. Doc is used commonly but the new word format Docx is coming in
> >>>to the mainstream and Mac OS supports them both for reading and
> >>>writing and editing. you can use apps like Text Edit which is simular
> >>>in functionality as Wordpad, Itext Express which is a free powerful
> >>>wordprecessor simular to word. or Pages with is $15.00 which has most
> >>>if not better features than word. and all these support read and write
> >>>word files.
> >>>
> >>>2. not all apps support the advanced formatting that word does, such
> >>>as foot notes, tracking of edits ETC only an app called Pages does and
> >>>runs about $15.
> >>>
> >>>if you have any more questions, my company provides support to
> >>>individuals and VR Case Clients as well as companies. visit our
> >>>website for more information
> >>>http://commtechusa.net
> >>>or feel free to give us a call at (623) 565-9357.
> >>>Gabe Vega
> >>>CEO
> >>>Commtech LLC
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> >>>
> >>>On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Howdy,
> >>>>
> >>>>I think the more interesting question is can the word processors on
> >>>>the Mac read docx files produced in microsoft word.  I think they
> >>>>can, which means that tracy's sister can still write documents in
> >>>>word and tracy can read them using something like textedit.
> >>>>
> >>>>I think the real problem with MS word and OSX is when a
> >>>>non-microsoft program modifies and resaves docx files, little things
> >>>>get changed such as default fonts.  This makes it tough to do
> >>>>collaborative work on a document when multiple people are writing
> >>>>the document, one using word and one using something else.  Also,
> >>>>most non-microsoft word processors don't support the track changes
> >>>>feature.
> >>>>
> >>>>Take Care,
> >>>>
> >>>>Jim
> >>>>
> >>>>On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 09:43:39AM -0500, Ryan Mann wrote:
> >>>>>If she writes a document in TextEdit, she will be able to send it
> >>>>>to people using Windows and they will be able to edit it in Word.
> >>>>>TextEdit saves documents in Ritch Text format which is a format
> >>>>>that both Word and TextEdit can work with.
> >>>>>Ryan
> >>>>>follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:46 AM, "Tracy Carcione"
> >>>>><carcione at access.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Thanks, that's very helpful.
> >>>>>>My sister wants to share her docs with a variety of people, so
> >>>>>>she has been using Word.  Do the other doc types supported by VO
> >>>>>>work for people using Windows, for instance?  If she wrote a doc
> >>>>>>in Text Edit and sent it to me, who uses Windows, would I be
> >>>>>>able to easily read it, possibly edit it, and send it back to
> >>>>>>her?
> >>>>>>Tracy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mann" <rmann0581 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>Cc: <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:25 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Voiceover with Word
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Microsoft Office is not accessible with VoiceOver on the Mac.
> >>>>>>>There are other alternative word processors such as Nisus
> >>>>>>>Writer or TextEdit which comes with the Mac.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Dec 26, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tracy Carcione"
> >>>>>>><carcione at access.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>My sister is trying to use Voiceover with her Mac and Word
> >>>>>>>>2011 for OSX.
> >>>>>>>>It is on, and announces the open doc, but it doesn't echo
> >>>>>>>>typing or read
> >>>>>>>>any of the actual document.
> >>>>>>>>Does VO work with Word?  Is there a way to make it read the doc?
> >>>>>>>>We looked at VO Help, but it doesn't discuss Word at all,
> >>>>>>>>that we saw.
> >>>>>>>>Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>Tracy
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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