[nfbcs] JFW tock and frames

Tue May 8 20:36:51 UTC 2012

Tracy,
I would advise you to have two internet browsers on your system. For
the simple reason that frames and jaws do not always work on IE. The
simple reason new website standers. In regards to edit boxes that is
the clicking you hear, that jaws can sometimes pick up edit boxes to
enter text within a frame, but it might not always read the lable.
That is why I always keep IE and firefox on my systems I work with. If
you want an invite to webvisom I can take care of that. It is a capta
service via invite or request. Invites work quicker than sending in a
access request. Also, users can lable things like graphics, edit boxes
that way their screen reader reads what to put in the edit boxes, even
if they are not marked. If someone labled it everyone will see it.  So
thats the reason for having firefox on your system. Also something to
note if you are using jaws 12 and windows seven and also firefox 11,
upgrade it to firefox 12. It crashes if you are running version 11 of
firefox.One more note, that firefox with jaws 12 and version 12 of
firefox work really. Well that is most of the time. If you would like
an invite to webvisom let me know and I will give you  a code to sign
up. If you are running jaws 12 or 11 and a vista system you can run
windows update to get ie9. If your on xp, that is not a option.

Hope this non technical way of putting things happed. As for having
fun, if you consider that fun, look into going into beta testing and
website creation. With new web standers, comes more junk to overcome
yourself.

On 5/8/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> LOL, no, not quite what I would call fun.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] JFW tock and frames
>
>
>> Thanks. That's clear, if a bit depressing.
>> I think at least some of them must work without Jaws, and with IE,
>> because
>> MLB did not ask me what browser I was using, or say that their site
>> doesn't work properly with IE8. But I guess I can try it with Firefox,
>> next time I feel like killing a couple hours fighting with the computer.
>> Is this the fun part?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> Sorry, my brain does not seem to be working correctly this morning. A
>>> few
>>> clarifications.
>>> 1. I do not think that websites are obligated to say with which browsers
>>> they work or don't work. I have come across quite a few that I have just
>>> had
>>> to try IE and then Firefox to see which one worked better.
>>> 2. What I meant by not working is that those boxes don't work with JAWS.
>>>
>>> I
>>> have never had a sighted person around to verify that they do work in IE
>>> without JAWS, but it is possible that they do.
>>> 3. There is the possibility that they don't work in IE, even without
>>> JAWS,
>>> especially if they are part of the newer HTML 5 and the version of IE is
>>>
>>> 8
>>> or earlier. I am having to use Firefox more and more as websites start
>>> using
>>> the new standard which is not fully supported by IE 8 and earlier.
>>> I hope that this clarifies things, and I apologize for the confusing
>>> messages.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] JFW tock and frames
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hmmm.  Thanks for the explanation.
>>>> It seems odd that a website would require Firefox to work properly,
>>>> without saying so.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> I have come across those when using Internet Explorer, and I just
>>>>> cannot
>>>>> write in them. I do not know how to put it other than they will not
>>>>> work.
>>>>> When using Firefox instead of Internet Explorer, they work fine.
>>>>> However,
>>>>> I
>>>>> do need to check that it is not web visum that is making them work
>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:25 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] JFW tock and frames
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Firefox? Eeeeee!
>>>>>> What do you mean by "those won't work"?  Could you be more specific?
>>>>>> At least what I said made sense. :.)
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you using Internet Explorer? If so, those won't work in IE, and
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to use Firefox instead. Yes, I know exactly what you are talking
>>>>>>> about,
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>>> To: <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:21 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] JFW tock and frames
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what it means when JFW says -- frame, where --
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> name, and makes the tock sound it makes when entering a form field?
>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>> is no form, just a frame begin and end.  Am I misinterpreting the
>>>>>>>> tock
>>>>>>>> sound?
>>>>>>>> This happens on the MLB Gameday site, where the frame is the login
>>>>>>>> frame
>>>>>>>> (with no form fields), and it happened somewhere else recently, but
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> forget where.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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