[nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The Accessibility Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers

[Mike Freeman]

John:

It is the heighth of arrogance to presume that I cannot defend my position.
I thought I was. What you *should* have said is that you don't buy my
defense. Let it rest there.

I still think we ought to file comments. I urged our governmental affairs
people to do this yesterday via private messages. However, I am not sanguine
that we will win on this one.

And I was asking a philosophical question -- one with which it is obvious
you are not comfortable.

Peace!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:34 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The Accessibility
Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers


Mike,

I want to put this as tactfully as I can... It is obvious that you can't 
defend your comment that the 21CCCVAA is unenforceable. Instead of 
continuing to defend that comment, you should just admit you over stated 
your case and move on.

PS: I'm not saying the 21CCVAA will be  enforced. I've questioned that 
myself in this very thread. I said I'd bee royally peed off if the FCC 
granted  the waiver. But there is a significant difference between 
saying  it is unenforceable and saying the FCC may not choost to enforce 
it. They can enforce it if they choose to.

On 08/08/2013 07:32 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
> FCC is a creature of Congress.
>
> Mike
>
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:02, "Larry Wayland" <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike that doesn't tell me why the law can't be enforced.  The law has
already been passed. I would never think it will be easy, but we can see
that the law is enforced by filing our complaints with FCC when necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:50 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Cc: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The
Accessibility Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers
>>
>> Larry:
>> Who is in the majority in the House of Representatives?
>> Mike
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:12, "Larry Wayland" <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>>
>>> Mike, I would like for you to tell us why the law can't be enforced.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>>> Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:53 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The
>>> Accessibility Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers
>>>
>>> No, John; I merely consider the law unenforceable.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 15:17, "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Huh? This is about the Twenty-first Century Communications and Video
Accessibility Act.  Are you saying you don't think that law should ever have
been passed?  These companies are saying they don't want to comply with an
existing law.
>>>>
>>>> [I must be in Mike's killfile.]
>>>>
>>>> On 08/08/13 16:08, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>>>> I guess I'm a minority of one but I truly don't see how we can
>>>>> philosophically justify protesting except possibly on moral grounds
>>>>> if e-reader manufacturers leave us out. IMO that's their prerogative.
>>>>> By the same token, though, they have to take the consequences, i.e.,
>>>>> that they cannot market to Government or schools. That's where the
>>>>> stick lies. There ain't no carrot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
>>>>> Fjelsted
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:19 PM
>>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The
>>>>> Accessibility Req
>
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