[nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The Accessibility Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers

Fri Aug 9 13:29:55 UTC 2013

Mike, everyone reading this thread  has seen you give nothing but 
flippant one-liners  in response to our questions as to why you say the 
21CCVAA is unenforceable.  Do you think anyone on this list could 
reiterate your reasoning? Do you think any of us are saying to 
ourselves, "Oh, I see why Mike Freeman says that law is unenforceable." 
Because I've been following this thread as closely as anybody and I sure 
don't think you've said one meaningful thing  in that regard.

PS: I can't even guess  what you're talking about when you say I'm not 
comfortable discussing your philosophical point.

> John:
>
> It is the heighth of arrogance to presume that I cannot defend my position.
> I thought I was. What you *should* have said is that you don't buy my
> defense. Let it rest there.
>
> I still think we ought to file comments. I urged our governmental affairs
> people to do this yesterday via private messages. However, I am not sanguine
> that we will win on this one.
>
> And I was asking a philosophical question -- one with which it is obvious
> you are not comfortable.
>
> Peace!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:34 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The Accessibility
> Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I want to put this as tactfully as I can... It is obvious that you can't
> defend your comment that the 21CCCVAA is unenforceable. Instead of
> continuing to defend that comment, you should just admit you over stated
> your case and move on.
>
> PS: I'm not saying the 21CCVAA will be  enforced. I've questioned that
> myself in this very thread. I said I'd bee royally peed off if the FCC
> granted  the waiver. But there is a significant difference between
> saying  it is unenforceable and saying the FCC may not choost to enforce
> it. They can enforce it if they choose to.
>
> On 08/08/2013 07:32 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> FCC is a creature of Congress.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:02, "Larry Wayland" <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike that doesn't tell me why the law can't be enforced.  The law has
> already been passed. I would never think it will be easy, but we can see
> that the law is enforced by filing our complaints with FCC when necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:50 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Cc: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The
> Accessibility Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers
>>>
>>> Larry:
>>> Who is in the majority in the House of Representatives?
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:12, "Larry Wayland" <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike, I would like for you to tell us why the law can't be enforced.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>> Freeman
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:53 PM
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The
>>>> Accessibility Requirement Be Waived for E-Book Readers
>>>>
>>>> No, John; I merely consider the law unenforceable.
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 15:17, "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Huh? This is about the Twenty-first Century Communications and Video
> Accessibility Act.  Are you saying you don't think that law should ever have
> been passed?  These companies are saying they don't want to comply with an
> existing law.
>>>>>
>>>>> [I must be in Mike's killfile.]
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/08/13 16:08, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>>>>> I guess I'm a minority of one but I truly don't see how we can
>>>>>> philosophically justify protesting except possibly on moral grounds
>>>>>> if e-reader manufacturers leave us out. IMO that's their prerogative.
>>>>>> By the same token, though, they have to take the consequences, i.e.,
>>>>>> that they cannot market to Government or schools. That's where the
>>>>>> stick lies. There ain't no carrot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
>>>>>> Fjelsted
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:19 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Amazon and Sony Are Requesting That The
>>>>>> Accessibility Req
>>
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