[nfbcs] FW: [IDevices] Your Help Is Needed, Apple Feedback

Jim Barbour jbar at barcore.com
Wed Aug 28 23:14:37 UTC 2013 

Hello Everyone,

I.C., I think you'll find that the apple bluetooth keyboard is large
enough to meet your needs.  It is well designed, has nice key push,
etc.

Steve, I totally agree that if individuals want to submit feedback to
Apple requesting this feature, I have no problem with it.  The flavor
of the message Susie forwarded was that this was an accessibility
issue.  I'm questioning the need to frame this request in
accessibility term.

Thanks for Listening,

Jim

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 07:06:46PM -0400, I. C. Bray wrote:
> OK, this is going to stretch public opinion to the extreem, but here goes.
> While I am new to iOS in general, I have been using my iPhone 4s steadilly
> steadily and intensively since December 28.
> I have not found that using any of the bluetooth devices is to my advantage
> BECAUSE they are too small, compact, and generally have quirks that
> "new-ish" users are not easilly adapted to.
> That being said, someone needs to develop a handset ( yes like the old type
> ) that can be bluetoothed to the phone like a cordless telephone.
> It should have a way to plug in a "HANDS FREE" headset/phone and a dialpad,
> hook/flash, hold, mute, and other types of functionality for those who "road
> warrior" or conduct business on the move.
> 
> Also-- While I'm on a para-rant, can anyone direct me to a FULL-SIZE
> bluetooth programmers keyboard that will work as well as the tiny,
> child-sized ones do?
> I have big hands... and it's hard to use those things.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson"
> <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] FW: [IDevices] Your Help Is Needed, Apple Feedback
> 
> 
> >Jim,
> >
> >The trouble is, I'm not sure that any of us would say we can dial as
> >quickly with the touch keypad with voiceOver as one can visually. However,
> >I'm not sure the answer is as simple as allowing a bluetooth
> >keyboard during phone calls, either.  I'd really like to know whether
> >there is a reason that this isn't permitted as there might be a good one.
> >Be that as it may, though, I am bothered a little if you feel that we
> >don't have the right to ask for a feature that might be useful to us
> >simply as customers.  To me, to make a case that this is an accessibility
> >issue might be stretching it, but we are now customers, and with my
> >great big two months of experience with an iPhone under my belt, I do find
> >that interacting with places that require significant data entry using the
> >numeric keypad to be difficult at times.  I am continuing to get
> >better, though.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Steve Jacobson
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:25:29 -0700, Barcore wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Susie,
> >
> >>Can you explain how this is impacting blind people specifically? Why are
> >>we not able to simply use the numbers on the on screen keyboard With a
> >>pair of headphones? I understand that if you have a
> >Bluetooth keyboard, it would be more convenient to use those numbers.
> >However, is this any different than it would be for sighted folks?
> >
> >>Thank you,
> >
> >>Jim
> >
> >>Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >>On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO"
> >><Susan.Stanzel at kcc.usda.gov> wrote:
> >
> >>>Hi Listers,
> >>>
> >>>I know this might be considered off topic, but it is important. Apple
> >>>needs to hear from us.
> >>>
> >>>Susie Stanzel
> >>>
> >>>From: IDevices [mailto:idevices-bounces at gatewayfortheblind.com] On
> >>>Behalf Of David G. Carlson
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:24 AM
> >>>To: Denny at GatewayForTheBlind.Com; IDevices at GatewayForTheBlind.Com
> >>>Subject: Re: [IDevices] Your Help Is Needed, Apple Feedback
> >>>
> >>>Done. Agree completely that using the on screen keypad is often not
> >>>fast enough to satisfy the prompt processor. It's very frustrating.
> >>>David G. Carlson
> >>>Marketing / Sales Engineer
> >>>RF Timing and Synchronization
> >>>dgcarlson at sbcglobal.net<mailto:dgcarlson at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Denny Huff<mailto:denny at gatewayfortheblind.com>
> >>>To:
> >>>IDevices at GatewayForTheBlind.Com<mailto:IDevices at GatewayForTheBlind.Com>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:24 AM
> >>>Subject: [IDevices] Your Help Is Needed, Apple Feedback
> >>>
> >>>All,
> >>>
> >>>               If you use Voiceover and have ever tried to use the
> >>>numbers on your bluetooth keyboard while on a phone call, you have
> >>>found that it doesn't work.  This is a problem that Apple has not
> >addressed and although the engineers have been made aware of the problem,
> >it still hasn't been resolved.
> >>>
> >>>               It is very difficult to enter a string of numbers on
> >>>the IPhone in the amount of time allotted for many of the services we
> >>>may call.  IE: banking service, ordering products with a credit card,
> >>>etc. For
> >those that use a bluetooth keyboard this process would be much simpler if
> >only we could use the numbers on the keyboard.
> >>>
> >>>               In order for this problem to be addressed and resolved
> >>>in a timely manner, Apple needs to hear from us.  The more people that
> >>>send them feedback on this problem the more likely the engineers will
> >take it seriously.
> >>>
> >>>               This is what you can do.  Follow one of the links below
> >>>and let them know that you would like to see this problem be
> >>>corrected. Let them know that you should be able to use Voiceover and
> >>>the
> >numbers on a bluetooth keyboard while on a phone call.  Be courteous when
> >making your complaint but also let them know how much this affects you.
> >>>
> >>>Here are the links you can go to to submit your feedback to Apple;
> >>>For the IPhone:
> >>>http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
> >>>For the IPad:
> >>>http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipad.html
> >>>All other devices and IOS apps:
> >>>http://www.apple.com/feedback/
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>___________________________________________________________________
> >>>Denny Huff
> >>>Gateway For the Blind LLC.
> >>>PO Box 515
> >>>St. Clair, MO  63077
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