[nfbcs] project tracking software

Gary Wunder gwunder at earthlink.net
Mon May 13 11:20:09 UTC 2013 

God bless you for trying, Susie.  Nobody can predict the outcome, but at
least you are brave enough to stand.

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan -
FSA, Kansas City, MO
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:02 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software

Good afternoon Everyone,

I have 39 years of federal service. Please read your May Monitor. I don't
know if anything will be successful or not but I am tired of fighting these
problems every single day. It is almost enough for me to wish for the old
days when I was simply a COBOL and Easytrieve programmer and people read
anything I needed to have read.

Susie

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:50 PM
To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software

Jude:

I don't think there are enough blind persons working for government to
warrant the time and effort that would be needed to implement a bribe and
payoff stratagem.

I think the real problem lies in our small numbers and our inability to
exact a sufficient penalty for inaccessibility. We're trying to remedy this
situation now (a recent lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Labor) but
it's going to be a long slog.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:41 AM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software

Every one of you on this list with a direct interest in accessibility in
either the federal workplace or state workplace could do well to subscribe
yourselves to fedaccessibility-subscribe at yahoogroups.com if you want to do
it, just send a blank message to that address and you'll start that process.
Inaccessibility of office equipment and software is often maintained by
management in several Federal agencies by blind employees having their jobs
threatened.  When you have this many problems that those problems spread
onto at least two e-mail lists yet Section 508 Co-ordinators report zero
complaints in agencies with blind employees in them, something is rotten in
Denmark!  I don't know of any direct reports, but I've read at least one
other member on the fedaccessibility e-mail list write in general terms
about these kind of incidents.  Very probably lucrative for managers to
suppress complaints since it's reasonable to expect corporations that will
not do proper accessibility to be compensating those managers to keep the
accessibility lid on.  The corporations probably reason a few good regular
payments to certain federal managers in both the acquisition chain at first
for getting the software licenses purchased first then paying off management
chains that reach down to blind employees is less expensive than doing
accessibility properly.  I don't know that any of this is correct and if I
ever run into specific cases those will be made known but based on logic of
bribes and pay offs this appears to be a very feasible structure for how
when and why corporate accessibility violators would conduct their business.

On Sat, 11 May 2013, Tracy Carcione wrote:

> I know this is a ridiculous thing to say, but there is a law requiring 
> the government to only purchase accessible software, right?  Yet 
> they're using JIRA, which Susie says is inaccessible.  Thus, they're
breaking the law.
I
> just thought it had to be said.
> Tracy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO"
> <Susan.Stanzel at kcc.usda.gov>
> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
> 
> 
> > The project lead sometimes has to use HP Quallity Center because the
Testing
> > and Certification Office is part of our team. We submit our software 
> > to
them
> > for their review before it goes to production. It would be handy if 
> > I
could
> > use it, but more handy if I could use JIRA.
> >
> > Susie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Jacobson
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 2:24 PM
> > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
> >
> > Susie,
> >
> > That is interesting that the government is using HP Quality Center.  
> > I
had
> > trouble using it but it turned out I didn't have to so I did not 
> > pursue
it.
> > However, I thought it was more for developing and executing test 
> > cases, although maybe that is just one use.
> > Whether it helps or not, if I have to use it, knowing it is used by 
> > the government could give me more of a lever to get them to fix 
> > those things that don't appear to be accessible.  Unfortunately, I 
> > think some of the problem I have seen with HPQC may have to do with 
> > screen readers not
keeping
> > up as well as they might with modern web approaches.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:59:16 +0000, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas 
> > City,
MO
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Good moring Everyone,
> >
> > >There are two different project and bug tracking programs used at USDA.
> > >They are JIRA which appears not to be accessible and HP
> > Quallity Center which I am not forced to use. Do any of you 
> > successfully
use
> > project tracking software? I wish all I had to do in my job was code
(grin).
> >
> > >Susie Stanzel
> >
> >
> >
> >
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