[nfbcs] project tracking software

Mon May 13 13:36:24 UTC 2013

Hi Jude.
That has not been my experience.  We have one project management software
package, which happens to be Remedy online.  We have one email system, one
time management system, and one training system.  If a system is
inaccessible, too bad.

Mike, it doesn't seem to me that most stuff is inaccessible because it's
on the cutting edge.  It seems to me that they're inaccessible because the
needs of disabled people are so trivial that they can be completely
ignored, and usually not considered at all.  It really bugs me to be
treated as though I don't even exist.
Tracy
> In my experience of the workplace, multiple software titles that
> essentially perform the same functions exist for the
> programmer/developer community.  The virtue in that is that the
> accessibility user gets to use something that can get them into the
> game.  The second virtue of that is that for whatever reason the
> accessible software development package cannot complete the job, the
> parts that need to be done by inaccessible software can get done by
> other titles.  In that way and to that extent those using accessibility
> software development platforms get made parts of teams.
>
> On Sun, 12 May 2013, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I thought long and hard about all this, but since the law was passed it
>> should mean something. I finally decided to put my money where my mouth
>> is (sort of speak). I certainly hope I can work as long as I want to. I
>> am uncomfortable.
>>
>> Susie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:23 PM
>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
>>
>> Actually, there's an unspoken aspect to all this that most of us do not
>> even
>> dare to admit to ourselves: that is, while we want "equal access" --
>> whatever that is -- and believe that "the law" should be enough to
>> guarantee
>> it, what gives us, a small minority, the right to dictate to the
>> majority
>> (most workers) what software they can use? It puts us in an awkward
>> position
>> when great emphasis is placed these days upon "team play" etc. to say
>> that
>> most of the team can't use certain software because we can't access it.
>> Of
>> course this begs the larger question as to whether such inaccessible
>> software should exist or not. But trying to mandate accessibility in an
>> absolute sense amounts to fixing what software development techniques
>> and
>> tools can and cannot be used -- an effort that is, in the long run,
>> doomed
>> to fail; one cannot stop innovation and by its very definition,
>> screen-reader manufacturers cannot adjust to innovations they don't know
>> about or that haven't been developed yet.
>>
>> This doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight for access as the present
>> lawsuit
>> does; we have no choice if we don't want to be returned to the
>> rocking-chair. But until someone develops Mr. Data of STNG, we are going
>> to
>> be faced with that unspoken dilemma of which I write and it's not an
>> easy
>> thing to figure out how to get around it.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:13 AM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> Yeah, and I keep hearing these sorts of stories, where the laws are just
>> flat out not followed.
>>
>> So I'm really interested in how the lawsuit Mike F. mentioned in an
>> earlier post will come out after the long slog... It's depressing in a
>> way, though I guess not all that surprising, that it's going to take at
>> least as much hard work and effort to get teeth put in those laws as it
>> was to get the laws in the first place... Sigh. Then again, I remember
>> when those laws were being developed and then finally passed back in the
>> day. Since I knew I would be blind sooner or later, I paid attention.
>> But, of course, I was not officially a disabled person then, so I got to
>> hear the abled folks talk about the horrible imposition in the free way
>> bigots talk when they assume you are one of Them... From what I recall
>> of what of that was on my limited radar at the time, the reason the laws
>> ended up toothless was that that was the only way they could be passed
>> in the first place. Of course, I know a lot of you here had real skin in
>> that game, so thanks! I've benefitted from your hard work.
>>
>> But more remains now, for sure, to get penalties for violators. It's
>> just unfortunate that it takes people who would rather be working for a
>> living to have to take time out of their lives for lawsuits instead.
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 05/11/2013 05:48 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> > I know this is a ridiculous thing to say, but there is a law requiring
>> > the government to only purchase accessible software, right?  Yet
>> they're
>> > using JIRA, which Susie says is inaccessible.  Thus, they're breaking
>> > the law.  I just thought it had to be said.
>> > Tracy
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City,
>> > MO" <Susan.Stanzel at kcc.usda.gov>
>> > To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 5:57 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
>> >
>> >
>> >> The project lead sometimes has to use HP Quallity Center because the
>> >> Testing and Certification Office is part of our team. We submit our
>> >> software to them for their review before it goes to production. It
>> >> would be handy if I could use it, but more handy if I could use JIRA.
>> >>
>> >> Susie
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Jacobson
>> >> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 2:24 PM
>> >> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
>> >>
>> >> Susie,
>> >>
>> >> That is interesting that the government is using HP Quality Center.
>> I
>> >> had trouble using it but it turned out I didn't have to so I did not
>> >> pursue it.  However, I thought it was more for developing and
>> >> executing test cases, although maybe that is just one use.
>> >> Whether it helps or not, if I have to use it, knowing it is used by
>> >> the government could give me more of a lever to get them to fix those
>> >> things that don't appear to be accessible.  Unfortunately, I think
>> >> some of the problem I have seen with HPQC may have to do with screen
>> >> readers not keeping up as well as they might with modern web
>> approaches.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Steve Jacobson
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:59:16 +0000, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas
>> City,
>> >> MO wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Good moring Everyone,
>> >>
>> >>> There are two different project and bug tracking programs used at
>> USDA.
>> >>> They are JIRA which appears not to be accessible and HP
>> >> Quallity Center which I am not forced to use. Do any of you
>> >> successfully use project tracking software? I wish all I had to do in
>> >> my job was code (grin).
>> >>
>> >>> Susie Stanzel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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