[nfbcs] [spam] Re: Activating Wireless and Bluetooth Drivers In A LaptopWithout their Respective Buttons.
George
osocalmo at yahoo.co.jp
Thu Dec 4 05:32:16 UTC 2014
Yes, I know a way to do so with Windows 8.1. Sorry I'm not familiar
with Windows 7 or 8, but you might use this way as a hint.
1. Press the Windows Key and type "wifi" in the search window.
2. Press the down arrow until you hear something like "change Wi-fi
settings". Sorry I don't know exactly how it says because I'm not using
Windows in English.
3. A window titled "PC Settings" will open.
4. Press the Tab key until you find a list (probably you need to press
twice).
5. Press the down arrow key until you hear something like "Mode inside
the airplane" and press Enter.
6. If you press tab, then, you will find a button to disable all the
wireless connections and, if wireless connections are enabled, there
will be other two buttons: one to enable/disable wi-fi and another to
enable/disable bluetooth.
7. Focus the button for the setting you want to change and press the
left arrow to disable or the right button to enable the corresponding
function.
8. When you finish, just press Alt+F4 to close the window.
If you use NVDA, it will only say "Pressed" in stead of "on" and it will
just say "button" when it is off. It might be better to use Narrator to
be sure of the state of the buttons: it says "on" or "off". You can
enable/disable Narrator just by pressing Windows+Enter.
Once you get accustomed to it, it's very easy.
I don't know how JAWS indicates this, because I don't use JAWS anymore.
HTH
George
On 2014/11/16 9:54, Jim Barbour via nfbcs wrote:
> To be clear, it is the Fn key, not the function key.
>
> Jim
>
> Written While on the Move
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>> On Nov 15, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I do not know if there is a way to do it with software. Usually, it is the
>> function key, not insert, so try that instead. When I toggle it on mine, it
>> plays the sound for connecting or disconnecting a USB device.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahmed Khater via
>> nfbcs
>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:23 PM
>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>> Subject: [nfbcs] Activating Wireless and Bluetooth Drivers In A
>> LaptopWithout their Respective Buttons.
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> One of my colleagues who is totally blind, has got a new laptop.
>> Unfortunately, there is no way to be able to locate the buttons for
>> activating the Bluetooth and Wireless drivers. In my Dell laptop, I press
>> Insert+F2 to activate both drivers. There are various combinations of
>> Insert+keys
>> for different computer models.
>>
>> But my question is: Is there any way whereby we can use our Windows 7 or 8
>> software to activate the Bluetooth and Wriless without such combinations of
>> buttons? If yes, can you provide me with a description of what happens when
>> I try to activate a Bluetooth or wireless connections using this software.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your expected assistance.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Ahmed Khater
>> Aakhater.ios at gmail.com
>> It's always hope that gives meaning to life
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
>> via nfbcs
>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:03 PM
>> To: Larry Wayland
>> Cc: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Screen Reader Support Models - was NVDA product
>> question
>>
>> Before I say any more, I have a question. Steve, did you deliberately choose
>> Microsoft and Google as specific examples?
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Larry Wayland <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> I don't see why you would disagree with that statement. The big companies
>> may not do it on purpose, but that is usually the way it turns out.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
>> via nfbcs
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:08 PM
>> To: 'Steve Jacobson'; 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Screen Reader Support Models - was NVDA product
>> question
>>
>> I agree with most of your points. However, I do question this one:
>>
>> "Large companies like Google and Microsoft and make sweeping changes to
>> their software, provide very basic accessibility by exposing the information
>> in their changes, and then leave it to the screen reader developers to make
>> it all work for you and me."
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> via nfbcs
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:06 AM
>> To: nfbcs list
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Screen Reader Support Models - was NVDA product
>> question
>>
>> This article and the issues it raises are very important in my opinion. I
>> think we have a somewhat false sense of security regarding our ability to
>> use computers and access software in many ways.
>>
>> First, I did not interpret anything Tim said in his article as minimizing
>> the efforts of those working on NVDA. I certainly keep a copy on my
>> computer as a means to help me out when my main screen reader hangs up, and
>> NVDA has a lot of power. My interpretation of his point was more like this.
>> How would it go over if sighted people on the job had to depend upon
>> volunteers to build and support their computer monitors? That just wouldn't
>> be accepted.
>> I don't see why you would disagree with that statement. The big companies
>> may not do it on purpose, but that is usually the way it turns out.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
>> via nfbcs
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:08 PM
>> To: 'Steve Jacobson'; 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Screen Reader Support Models - was NVDA product
>> question
>>
>> I agree with most of your points. However, I do question this one:
>>
>> "Large companies like Google and Microsoft and make sweeping changes to
>> their software, provide very basic accessibility by exposing the information
>> in their changes, and then leave it to the screen reader developers to make
>> it all work for you and me."
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> via nfbcs
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:06 AM
>> To: nfbcs list
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Screen Reader Support Models - was NVDA product
>> question
>>
>> This article and the issues it raises are very important in my opinion. I
>> think we have a somewhat false sense of security regarding our ability to
>> use computers and access software in many ways.
>>
>> First, I did not interpret anything Tim said in his article as minimizing
>> the efforts of those working on NVDA. I certainly keep a copy on my
>> computer as a means to help me out when my main screen reader hangs up, and
>> NVDA has a lot of power. My interpretation of his point was more like this.
>> How would it go over if sighted people on the job had to depend upon
>> volunteers to build and support their computer monitors? That just wouldn't
>> be accepted.
>> Our screen readers are our computer monitors, and I think he was asking why
>> we should expect anything less for something that is so important. Those of
>> you who are working for someone else are likely very aware of how really
>> fragile our accessibility is. If you are in full control over the software
>> you use, the picture is a good bit better because you can control what you
>> use and could, for example, pick software that works with NVDA. Where I
>> work, I regularly use two programs that work fairly well with JFW and
>> Window-Eyes and do not work with NVDA. I am not blaming NVDA as these are
>> both older pieces of software, but both JAWS and Window-Eyes are a little
>> more robust and offer some ability for a user to stretch their functionality
>> somewhat easier than is the case with NVDA. Since it means money in my
>> pocket, paying the price for a commercial screen reader is worth it to me.
>> However, that doesn't mean I would not donate to NVDA, and NVDQA has often
>> been better at implementing modern approaches to accessibility. That is a
>> valuable contribution that cannot be over-stated. The Wikipedia model was
>> mentioned in another note, and while I use that resource some, I don't see
>> that as an effective approach to screen reader development that needs to
>> exist in employment settings where there is security involved. A screen
>> reader is not a collection of information that you can cross-check for
>> accuracy, it is closer to a computer monitor that bridges software to
>> hardware. I am not arguing that there might not be changes to the model
>> that supports NVDA that we couldn't consider. Discussing alternatives is
>> the point to all of this after all.
>>
>> The commercial screen reader model isn't perfect either. As I see it,
>> screen readers, including NVDA, are so busy trying to keep up with new
>> versions of Windows and Microsoft Office that they don't have a lot of
>> resources to try to really innovate. Software and web pages have changed
>> dramatically over the past ten years, but how we get information has not
>> changed all that much. Even the efforts of screen readers to take advantage
>> of ARIA seems to be painful. Large companies like Google and Microsoft and
>> make sweeping changes to their software, provide very basic accessibility by
>> exposing the information in their changes, and then leave it to the screen
>> reader developers to make it all work for you and me. The time and money
>> that they have to spend just to keep up is not insignificant and a lot of
>> the money that we pay for upgrades goes to just staying even with what
>> particularly the large companies change. I have personally witnessed the
>> time it can take to figure out why something doesn't work right and it can
>> be extreme. We expect our screen readers to know when a menu pops up and to
>> track menu selections as they have been doing for twenty years. If finances
>> were unlimited, a dream, I know, shouldn't there be a way to automatically
>> tell us what is important on a web page in a similar manner? There are
>> tools we can use, but thinking about what is really important on a web page
>> isn't something screen readers really have time to to research to any major
>> degree, and they have concentrated on what they can get from HTML, but could
>> useful analysis of appearance help us?
>> How about a command to jump to the text with the largest fonts or analyze
>> text color for example?
>>
>> What about the third model, building in a screen reader into the operating
>> system? From a technical point of view, this is probably the most sound
>> approach. However, I, again, have the same reservations as were expressed
>> in the article. I won't mention Apple as he did, as that always leads to an
>> emotional battle. I know, though, that there have been bugs with
>> accessibility both in Microsoft office and Windows for a few years that are
>> known to Microsoft. Microsoft sends us updates all the time to their
>> software and operating system. How often do you run Windows or Office
>> Update? But some accessibility bugs have to wait for the "next major
>> release" whatever that means. We have also seen Microsoft leave out or
>> complicate keystroke access to Office
>> 2013 that can only have happened because making keystrokes work well isn't a
>> real priority. This is within their own software, and keyboard access is
>> something some sighted people still use, but it still gets what appears to
>> be casual consideration at best. How can I feel confident that they would
>> maintain a screen reader over time, and what priority would they give bugs
>> that might be present in handling competing products? What priority would a
>> Microsoft screen reader give to Open Office support, for example? There are
>> similar questions one could ask about Apple although the environment is
>> somewhat different.
>>
>> The point is that there are some real drawbacks to all of the current
>> models. Add to that the fact that software and web development are
>> extremely dynamic right now and probably will be for some time to come. Now
>> look at our market size which is relatively small. Also look at the laws
>> that require accessibility which apply most completely to us and state
>> governments with only limited application to the private sector. Add to
>> that that people are finding that many web sites and some software used
>> within government where laws do apply are not very accessible or accessible
>> at all. It isn't that efforts are not being made, but the numbers of web
>> pages are huge and the pressure to change is great.
>>
>> As consumers, we really need to think about all of this as we move forward.
>> It is one thing to evaluate all of this in terms of our leisure activities.
>> That can be frustrating but it is mostly manageable because we have some
>> control over our environment. But in particular, how do we deal with web
>> sites and software used within parts of the private sector where even ADA
>> may not apply all that completely, where "undo burden" may accurately
>> describe the changes that would need to be made in some cases?
>> These are real challenges that go beyond insulting one's favorite screen
>> reader or web browser, and this is what we really need to try to address.
>> When I attended the first Microsoft Accessibility "Summit" in 1995 and when
>> I participated in discussions of the accessibility of JAVA in 1998, I never
>> dreamed we would still be fighting for accessibility as we must in 2014.
>> There needs to be serious thought as to how we can do better in the future,
>> and we need to discuss it thoroughly and reasonably.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:11:58 -0800, Mike Freeman via nfbcs wrote:
>>>
>>> George:
>>
>>> I consider Mother Theresa and Lions Clubs just as paternalistic as
>>> anything having to do with the blind. I *do* subscribe to Tim's logic.
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of George via
>>> nfbcs
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:38 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>
>>> Yes, Aaron, I totally agree with you.
>>
>>> Tim's thinking is not convincing and it's too much centered on affairs
>>> of the blind, leaving aside a big reality.
>>
>>> For example,
>>>> Do we
>>>> welcome it simply because the recipients are people with a disability?
>>
>>> Not at all. These philanthropic efforts have been made for many
>>> centuries in
>>
>>> other areas, too. Just think of Lion's Club, Mother Theresa, etc.
>>> History shows us many philanthropic actions made by kings and rich
>>> people, in art, for example, a rich madam supported Beethoven and now
>>> we
>> have his music.
>>> So there's nothing wrong with the fund model they chose for NVDA and,
>>> in fact, I think it's the most appropriate one for such an enterprise.
>>> It's a growing trend nowadays, when many people try to help each other.
>>> We can't deny all this efforts without disregarding today's reality.
>>> Like wikipedia, there are many projects and they are very useful, not
>>> only to the
>>
>>> blind, and they are based on donations. Saying that all these projects
>>> have a weaker base is absolutely wrong, I think. Companies also go out
>>> of business.
>>> Being blind doesn't require to stick to a business model.
>>
>>> George
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Aaron Cannon via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "NFB in Computer Science
>>> Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>
>>
>>>> I think the reason we haven't seen more arguments with Tim's article
>>>> is that, frankly, his main points are hard to track. I can't
>>>> complain too much though, as I suspect that he writes much more
>>>> clearly than I do. :)
>>>>
>>>> As for what he says about NVDA:
>>>> "The work that the developers of NVDA have done is exceptional. On a
>>>> small budget they have developed a really good product and have
>>>> provided a free screen reader to many thousands of people around the
>>>> world who couldn't previously afford one, especially in developing
>>>> countries. Their technical skills and dedication are to be applauded;
>>>> however, I have a problem with the funding model they have chosen.
>>>> Philanthropic funding is at best a fragile beast, and it often
>>>> doesn't extend to covering services like training and support, which
>>>> can be the most important components of accessibility (especially in
>>>> education). The bigger issue of equity and why we accept such a
>>>> fundamental right as access to a computer to be at the whim of
>>>> philanthropic generosity should be of tremendous concern. Do we
>>>> welcome it simply because the recipients are people with a disability?
>>>> Why is this particular group of people not worthy of a business model
>>>> that guarantees standards of support, service, and viability? The
>>>> developers of NVDA need investors, not handouts."
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps my brain just isn't working right this morning, but I am
>>>> having a hard time following his objections to NVDA. If I understand
>>>> it right, he is saying that the funding model for NVDA is fragile, so
>>>> we shouldn't trust it. He also seems to be arguing that it's based
>>>> on charity, and so beneath us, and besides, it doesn't allow for user
>>>> support and training.
>>>>
>>>> If this is correct, I remain unconvinced. NVDA support is available
>>>> from various organizations, for a fee. Jaws users, on the other
>>>> hand, end up also paying for support, but they do so up front,
>>>> whether they need it or not.
>>>>
>>>> Training is also available for a fee, but that's certainly not unique
>>>> to NVDA. Jaws does come with some training materials, but similar
>>>> materials are also available for free for NVDA.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that NVDA funding is more fragile than we should like, but
>>>> much of what we the blind rely on is philanthropic in nature. And,
>>>> if one source of funding dries up, another one is found. And anyway,
>>>> I don't see traditional sources of investment funding being
>>>> substantially more reliable than philanthropic ones.
>>>>
>>>> Investors/donors come, and investors/donors go, and organizations
>>>> either find new ones, figure out a way to due without, or fail. So
>>>> far, NVAccess seems to have been able to find new ones when needed.
>>>>
>>>> Consider what would happen if FS and NVAccess went under, and all the
>>>> developers moved on to bigger and better things (or at least things
>>>> that would provide them with a paycheck). Jaws would be gone.
>>>> You're already installed copies would probably work, but there would
>>>> be no way to install the full version on new machines.
>>>>
>>>> NVDA, on the other hand, would still be available. Not only would it
>>>> still be available to install, but it would be available to improve,
>>>> fix, and whatever else someone wanted to do with it, within the
>>>> bounds of the GPL license. It's even possible that a new group of
>>>> developers would come along and keep the project going.
>>>>
>>>> In short, Jaws belongs to FS. NVDA belongs, in a very literal sense,
>>>> to everyone. I'd much rather see money invested into something I own
>>>> than into something I don't.
>>>>
>>>> That's all for now.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron
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