[nfbcs] NVDA product question

Wed Nov 12 02:58:11 UTC 2014

hi,

well then that's a different animal.
Of course you are going to get a lower price if you agree to purchase 
dozens.
Let us know if it is possible to purchase jaws pro as an individual for less 
than $1,195 assuming that's still the set price.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Wayland via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
To: "'David Andrews'" <dandrews at visi.com>; "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing 
List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question

> Thank you Dave, I wasn't going to argue with them.  I purchased for my 
> state
> agency for over 20 years and was able to get very good discounts on
> products, including Jaws, until Freedom Scientific clamped down and picked
> only one dealer to represent a whole region. I think this is very unfair 
> for
> blind people not allowing them to shop around and find the best price. I
> can't think of any other company that does not allow people to purchase 
> from
> any dealer they want.  It is not just Freedom Scientific that does this.
> Several of the developers pick a dealer to sell their product, and it
> usually is the same dealer for all developers.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews 
> via
> nfbcs
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:43 PM
> To: Bryan Schulz; NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>
> This is not true -- a dealer can sell for less -- although most do not. 
> The
> state of Minnesota, because it purchases a number of copies each year has
> negotiated discounts on various AT products with a wide variety of
> companies.  So, it is possible.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:14 AM 11/5/2014, you wrote:
>>hi,
>>
>>the actual cost of jaws, etc is the same no matter where it is
>>purchased across the country.
>>I was talking about a midwest contractor that was granted golden boy
>>status while two others were forced out of business or the area!
>>Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wayland via nfbcs"
>><nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>To: "'Bryan Schulz'" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>; "'NFB in Computer
>>Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:46 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>
>>
>>>Besides that, Blind people are being told who they have to buy from
>>>and not be allowed to shop for best prices.
>>>There is only one company in this area I can by Jaws from, well, not
>>>just Jaws many other products. As well. This doesn't allow me to shop
>>>around the country and find a better price. I am not sure if this is
>>>even legal. I can't think of any other product other than assistive
>>>devices that are sold this way.
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
>>>Schulz via nfbcs
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:51 PM
>>>To: Brian Buhrow; NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>>
>>>Brian,
>>>
>>>That's not completely true that vendors are not getting rich from the
>>>adaptive technology field especially when other vendors are forced to
>>>close or relocate when a specific vendor is favored!
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Brian Buhrow via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>To: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>; "NFB in Computer
>>>Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Forzano"
>>><michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:45 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello.  Everyone who has been following or contributing to this
>>>>thread on this list needs to read, multiple times, tim Connell's
>>>>article in the November 2014 Braille Monitor, "What is the Cost of a 
>>>>Free
> Product?"
>>>>In that article, he lays out the various funding models for all the
>>>>access technology available today and lists the vices and virtues of
>>>>each model.  He makes the point, in a few wores, that I've been
>>>>trying to make, in a very clumsy fashion, for a number of years.
>>>>Free is not always better.
>>>>I'll add to his point that even more important is the fact that we as
>>>>blind consumers need to be aware of the cost of free products before
>>>>we end up paying the ultimate price of freedom, i.e. with our jobs
>>>>and, potentially, our independence.  I find Jaws to be just as
>>>>frustrating as the next guy and I don't use it in my daily work.
>>>>However, I purchase it because it is there if I really need it and
>>>>there may be a day, and there have been a few, when it did something
>>>>I really needed.  Many blind professionals I know rely on Jaws every
>>>>day and I would be very sad to see them lose their livelihoods
>>>>because Freedom Scientivic could no longer afford to support their
> products.
>>>>Sure there are excesses in the market place and companies who've
>>>>stocked their treasure chests with the gold of the poor who bought
>>>>their products.  However, let's not let the exception make the rule.
>>>>Most folks working in the access technology arena are not becoming
>>>>filthy rich off our baksand, even better for us, they are dedicated
>>>>individuals who truly believe in helping us achieve independence
>>>>through improved access to technology and training.  As Tim points
>>>>out, the philanthropic model, which is how NVDA is funded, is a
>>>>fragile beast and subject to the whims of the funders which, are, in
>>>>turn, influenced by a wide array of factors including political
>>>>considerations, share holder concerns and issues I can't even think
>>>>of.  Contrary to Tim's essay, I'd argue that technologies like
>>>>VoiceOver in Apple's iOS  and Talkback in Google's Android survive on
>>>>the philanthropic model as well, all be it from one donor rather than
>>>>many.
>>>>The point I want to make here is that while everyone is discussing
>>>>the merrits of NVDA versus Jaws relative to their costs, remember
>>>>that, as Tim points out, we probably don't truly know the cost of
>>>>free yet. I pray that we will before we actually pay it!
>>>>
>>>>-thanks
>>>>-Brian
>
>         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
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