[nfbcs] Using eclipse with JAWS

Sun Jan 25 20:33:17 UTC 2015

Yes, and, sometimes, people will tell you to do something one way, but that
way just does not work, so, if possible, just keep doing it the way that
works best for you.

Nicole 

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Nicole,

In my long career, I have found that learning some of the things we have
discussed here do help me do some tasks more quickly than sighted people.  
Other tasks do take me longer, so part of the trick is to find those things
one can learn to do faster to offset those things one cannot do as quickly.
Graham, these are the kinds of things to concentrate on.  You won't do the
same job in the same way as you have already done it, and you won't do the
same job in the same way as your sighted co-workers.  The trick is to find
ways to do your job efficiently which might mean doing some things
differently.  You may even find a nitch for yourself, something you are good
at doing that others are not.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 21:19:51 -0800, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:

>Yes, and you will probably soon find that you can do things faster than 
>sighted people because you can do it in two or even one keystroke where 
>as they have to click four or five times.

>Nicole

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>Nicole,

>Thanks, it would make sense that there would be something like that.  
>That kind of feature is an example of something I have found useful, 
>but sighted people who can have two windows open and visually track see 
>little advantage in using.

>Graham, another challenge is to look for different ways of doing the 
>same things, and that can even involve using lesser-known features of 
>an application.  I know I have always been the expert where I work on 
>how to use "FIND" and "SEARCH" commands and sometimes even macros in 
>various environments because they benefit me more than my co-workers.  
>That has even gotten me into some more nitch programming in the past.

>Best regards,

>Steve Jacobson

>On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:07:31 -0800, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:

>>Yes. I think that you just press enter when in the error list.

>>Sent from my iPhone

>>On Jan 24, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Steve Jacobson via nfbcs 
>><nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:

>>Nicole,

>>Is there an option in Eclipse to move from an error message to the 
>>line in the source that caused the error?  I've seen this in other 
>>development
>environments but have not used Eclipse.  If there is such an option,
>>that would probably be helpful to him.

>>Best regards,

>>Steve Jacobson

>>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:25:50 -0800, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Some of this will get easier as you get used to using JAWS. So, 
>>> in addition to using JAWS for coding, I would recommend using JAWS 
>>> for as much other stuff as possible so that you get used to it.

>>> 1. I do not reduce the speed of JAWS to read code. However, please 
>>> note that I have been using JAWS for more than fifteen years, so I am
>used to it.
>>> Also, if you have not already, I would recommend learning Braille and 
>>> asking your employer for a Braille display. This is considered a 
>>> reasonable accommodation because, in most cases, it is unreasonable 
>>> to expect someone to get all of the details verbally that sighted 
>>> people get visually. Also note that, in JAWS, you can set different 
>>> settings for different applications.

>>> 2. In the voice options, there is an option for capitalization pitch
>change.
>>> In the options for all programs and for each program, there are 
>>> options for when capitals are announced. Again, having a Braille 
>>> display will help with this.

>>> 3. In Eclipse, press alt + shift + q to get the list of errors. 
>>> Select the error that you want and press F10 for a list of options, 
>>> including quick fix and details.

>>> Finally, I would recommend reading the JAWS help topics on keystrokes 
>>> and settings as you will find a lot of helpful information there.

>>> Nicole

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>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Using eclipse with JAWS

>>> Hi all,

>>> As you may recall from past posts I have made to this list I have had 
>>> some difficulties at work. I am still struggling in a number of 
>>> areas, but I am inching along in progress. With many inovative ideaas 
>>> and some  minimal helpI have developed some crude work arounds. Since 
>>> my last post the update on my limited vision is now gone. Doctors are 
>>> trying to recover the vision but basically my eye is dying. So all 
>>> the skills the NFB and you all have taught me are getting thrown into 
>>> high gear. But I am straying. Now that I have some kind of working 
>>> environment I can develop software. I am working on a remote desktop 
>>> running windows 7 and JAWS 15. I am developing using java 8 within 
>>> eclipse. I probably do not know all the hot keys I need to, to help 
>>> me navigate around quickly, but I am learning. There are a couple 
>>> things that are slowing me down that I hope some of you can provide
>suggestions for me to improve on.

>>> 1. I am still not use to high rates of speech on JAWS, which is a 
>>> definite plus. However as many of you may know programming languages 
>>> are not in english terms. So do you all use a high rate of speech to 
>>> read code or do you reduce it to read code?

>>> 2. Java standards particularly regarding variable names are written 
>>> in camel case. - meaning take two english words and merge them into 
>>> one word to make a variable name. however the first letter of the 
>>> second word is acapitalized. Is there a setting in JAWS that I am 
>>> missing that will tell me capital letters? I work with other  
>>> software engineers so if I work in their code, I need to know the 
>>> spelling and capitalization because otherwise the code will not compile.

>>> 3. Fixing errors - from my experience most developers do not write 
>>> clean code the firs time. Once I identify a line of code that has an 
>>> error in it and navigate to the spot the error starts How can I quickly
>identify the
>>> error and fix it.   Let me explain. For those with some vision, if an
>error
>>> occurs a visual underline appears under the word or group of words 
>>> forming the error. And if you mouse over it a tool tip appears 
>>> providing details of the error. For those blind I can best describe 
>>> this as in Microsoft word or outlook if a word is misspelled the JAWS 
>>> software speaks "misspelled" and the word. In Eclipse instead of 
>>> speaking "misspelled" it says "invalid" This is not very helpful. Is 
>>> there any way for me to select the "invalid" string and get a message
>like the tool tip to be spoken?

>>> Thanks for any help you can provide.

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