[nfbcs] Using eclipse with JAWS

Mon Jan 26 03:03:53 UTC 2015

Yes I found one keystroke easier than the two keystrokes and the first
keystroke is awkward to do.  I se mine to control + semicolon  so I
don't have to move my fingers much and I set the problems/compiler
pane to control + apostrophe.  Anyway,  I am doing some programming on
XCODE and I find the auto complete feature to be much easier and less
buggy than the Eclipse auto complete feature.

On 1/25/15, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, and, sometimes, people will tell you to do something one way, but that
> way just does not work, so, if possible, just keep doing it the way that
> works best for you.
>
> Nicole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> via nfbcs
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 9:27 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Using eclipse with JAWS
>
> Nicole,
>
> In my long career, I have found that learning some of the things we have
> discussed here do help me do some tasks more quickly than sighted people.
> Other tasks do take me longer, so part of the trick is to find those things
> one can learn to do faster to offset those things one cannot do as quickly.
> Graham, these are the kinds of things to concentrate on.  You won't do the
> same job in the same way as you have already done it, and you won't do the
> same job in the same way as your sighted co-workers.  The trick is to find
> ways to do your job efficiently which might mean doing some things
> differently.  You may even find a nitch for yourself, something you are
> good
> at doing that others are not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 21:19:51 -0800, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>
>>Yes, and you will probably soon find that you can do things faster than
>>sighted people because you can do it in two or even one keystroke where
>>as they have to click four or five times.
>
>>Nicole
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>Jacobson via nfbcs
>>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:40 PM
>>To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List; NFB in Computer Science
>>Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Using eclipse with JAWS
>
>>Nicole,
>
>>Thanks, it would make sense that there would be something like that.
>>That kind of feature is an example of something I have found useful,
>>but sighted people who can have two windows open and visually track see
>>little advantage in using.
>
>>Graham, another challenge is to look for different ways of doing the
>>same things, and that can even involve using lesser-known features of
>>an application.  I know I have always been the expert where I work on
>>how to use "FIND" and "SEARCH" commands and sometimes even macros in
>>various environments because they benefit me more than my co-workers.
>>That has even gotten me into some more nitch programming in the past.
>
>>Best regards,
>
>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:07:31 -0800, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>
>>>Yes. I think that you just press enter when in the error list.
>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>
>>>On Jan 24, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Steve Jacobson via nfbcs
>>><nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>wrote:
>
>>>Nicole,
>
>>>Is there an option in Eclipse to move from an error message to the
>>>line in the source that caused the error?  I've seen this in other
>>>development
>>environments but have not used Eclipse.  If there is such an option,
>>>that would probably be helpful to him.
>
>>>Best regards,
>
>>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:25:50 -0800, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi. Some of this will get easier as you get used to using JAWS. So,
>>>> in addition to using JAWS for coding, I would recommend using JAWS
>>>> for as much other stuff as possible so that you get used to it.
>
>>>> 1. I do not reduce the speed of JAWS to read code. However, please
>>>> note that I have been using JAWS for more than fifteen years, so I am
>>used to it.
>>>> Also, if you have not already, I would recommend learning Braille and
>>>> asking your employer for a Braille display. This is considered a
>>>> reasonable accommodation because, in most cases, it is unreasonable
>>>> to expect someone to get all of the details verbally that sighted
>>>> people get visually. Also note that, in JAWS, you can set different
>>>> settings for different applications.
>
>>>> 2. In the voice options, there is an option for capitalization pitch
>>change.
>>>> In the options for all programs and for each program, there are
>>>> options for when capitals are announced. Again, having a Braille
>>>> display will help with this.
>
>>>> 3. In Eclipse, press alt + shift + q to get the list of errors.
>>>> Select the error that you want and press F10 for a list of options,
>>>> including quick fix and details.
>
>>>> Finally, I would recommend reading the JAWS help topics on keystrokes
>>>> and settings as you will find a lot of helpful information there.
>
>>>> Nicole
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>>>> Mehl via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 5:56 AM
>>>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: kmanos1963 at verizon.net
>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Using eclipse with JAWS
>
>>>> Hi all,
>
>>>> As you may recall from past posts I have made to this list I have had
>>>> some difficulties at work. I am still struggling in a number of
>>>> areas, but I am inching along in progress. With many inovative ideaas
>>>> and some  minimal helpI have developed some crude work arounds. Since
>>>> my last post the update on my limited vision is now gone. Doctors are
>>>> trying to recover the vision but basically my eye is dying. So all
>>>> the skills the NFB and you all have taught me are getting thrown into
>>>> high gear. But I am straying. Now that I have some kind of working
>>>> environment I can develop software. I am working on a remote desktop
>>>> running windows 7 and JAWS 15. I am developing using java 8 within
>>>> eclipse. I probably do not know all the hot keys I need to, to help
>>>> me navigate around quickly, but I am learning. There are a couple
>>>> things that are slowing me down that I hope some of you can provide
>>suggestions for me to improve on.
>
>>>> 1. I am still not use to high rates of speech on JAWS, which is a
>>>> definite plus. However as many of you may know programming languages
>>>> are not in english terms. So do you all use a high rate of speech to
>>>> read code or do you reduce it to read code?
>
>>>> 2. Java standards particularly regarding variable names are written
>>>> in camel case. - meaning take two english words and merge them into
>>>> one word to make a variable name. however the first letter of the
>>>> second word is acapitalized. Is there a setting in JAWS that I am
>>>> missing that will tell me capital letters? I work with other
>>>> software engineers so if I work in their code, I need to know the
>>>> spelling and capitalization because otherwise the code will not
>>>> compile.
>
>>>> 3. Fixing errors - from my experience most developers do not write
>>>> clean code the firs time. Once I identify a line of code that has an
>>>> error in it and navigate to the spot the error starts How can I quickly
>>identify the
>>>> error and fix it.   Let me explain. For those with some vision, if an
>>error
>>>> occurs a visual underline appears under the word or group of words
>>>> forming the error. And if you mouse over it a tool tip appears
>>>> providing details of the error. For those blind I can best describe
>>>> this as in Microsoft word or outlook if a word is misspelled the JAWS
>>>> software speaks "misspelled" and the word. In Eclipse instead of
>>>> speaking "misspelled" it says "invalid" This is not very helpful. Is
>>>> there any way for me to select the "invalid" string and get a message
>>like the tool tip to be spoken?
>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>
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