[nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO

Sat Feb 20 03:30:50 UTC 2016

It sure would solve a lot of problems.  

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Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO

Boy that's an issue loaded with politics if ever there was one

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Greg Kearney

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Wondering why no one has said the obvious: Windows needs a 
> fully-functional built-in screen reader.
> 
>> On 2/19/16, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Some people will say that this is not accessibility, but I very much 
>> think that it is. Have an option to bring back the old menubar 
>> instead of that stupid ribbon. I basically have to memorize all of 
>> the keystrokes from office 2003 in order to get anything done because 
>> the stuff on the ribbon is iimpossible to find, has keystrokes that 
>> are four, five, or six steps long, and, in some cases, do not work.
>> Some of the old shortcut keys do not work anymore, like pressing alt 
>> p in Outlook to get to the options for a message. If you look hard 
>> enough, you can get back to the old dialogs for different stuff, like 
>> page layout in Word or message options in Outlook, but it takes ten 
>> million steps to get there. Okay, exaggerating, but that is what it seems
like.
>>    There is another problem with Internet Explorer. I do not know if 
>> it has been fixed in the new browser. Screen readers often send an 
>> accessibility event instead of passing through the keystroke of enter 
>> or space. When this happens, the browser decides how to handle it. 
>> All other browsers, afaik, use mouse down, mouse up, click as the 
>> events that the browser fires for an accessibility event, but 
>> Internet Explorer only uses click. Many web companies do not know 
>> this and make controls that listen on mouse up, so they are not 
>> accessible with screen readers and Internet Explorer.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeanine 
>> Lineback via nfbcs
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: Doug Lee
>> Cc: Jeanine Lineback; List for teachers and trainers of adaptive 
>> technology; Jeanine Lineback via nfbcs
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new 
>> CAO
>> 
>> Thank you Doug,
>> Regarding the Link 2013 in the Skype for business issues with jaws 
>> and other screen readers like NVDA I have also reported these 
>> problems. :-) They are a major issue especially the notifications 
>> taking over from other applications. Definitely a productivity 
>> downer. Frown
>> 
>> Dictated on an iPhone.
>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please pass this on, though Anne is well aware of this concern, and 
>>> the fact that I've been harping about this for about nine months. :)
>>> 
>>> Two serious issues in Lync 2013 and Skype for Business 2016, highest
>> priority first:
>>> 
>>> 1. Every incoming chat message fires a MenuOpened event and forces 
>>> AT users to Alt+Tab twice in order to continue whatever they were 
>>> doing before the message arrived. This is a very severe productivity 
>>> killer, and this issue alone has forced me to recommend to large 
>>> companies that they refrain from upgrading beyond Lync
>>> 2010 for users who are blind or use a screen reader.
>>> 
>>> Note that while I am aware that the delay in fixing this issue is 
>>> due to difficulty deciding what system to use for incoming chat 
>>> notifications, I urge that the menuOpened events be stopped 
>>> immediately even if this results in no notification of an incoming chat.
>> Silent chat arrival is a problem but does not impair use of every 
>> other application on the computer.
>>> 
>>> 2. Frequently during an active voice call in Lync 2013 and Skype for 
>>> Business 2016, the keyboard is taken over in such a way as to 
>>> prevent many JAWS commands from working. Again, a user must Alt+Tab 
>>> to rectify this situation. My very rough estimate is that this 
>>> happens at least once
>> every 5-10 minutes, though my recollection of the time interval is 
>> imprecise.
>>> 
>>> I am forwarding this message to some members of my office 
>>> accessibility team in case they have further thoughts.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:03:25AM -0600, NFBCS mailing list wrote:
>>> I have been asked to circulate the following message.  This also 
>>> applies
>> to your own personal experience with Microsoft product, even though 
>> the below email specifies serving students and adults.
>>> 
>>> Jeanine Lineback
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: "McSorley, Jan" <jan.mcsorley at pearson.com>
>>>> Date: February 16, 2016 at 12:42:29 PM CST
>>>> To: Jeanine Kay Lineback <jeanine.lineback at gmail.com>, Edgar Lozano 
>>>> <lozano.edgar94 at gmail.com>, Su Park <su.park98 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I just got off a call with Anne Taylor who, as you know, used to be 
>>>> the
>> Director of Access Technology at the National Federation of the 
>> Blind.  She now works for Microsoft and her boss is Microsoft's new 
>> Chief Accessibility Officer.
>>>> 
>>>> Anne asked me to compile a list of access barriers in Microsoft 
>>>> products
>> that impede the work I am trying to accomplish at Pearson, but I 
>> would like to take this opportunity to get additional feedback from 
>> others in the field.  I would love to add your insights and opinions 
>> on how Microsoft could help improve education, productivity, etc. of 
>> people  with disabilities by making improvements in the accessibility of
their products.
>>>> 
>>>> I will be working on a list of ideas for Anne, but if you have any
>> thoughts or feedback on the following questions, I will be sure to 
>> share your name(s) as contributors to the list:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Are there any access barriers to using Microsoft products that 
>>>> make it
>> difficult for you to serve students or adults with disabilities.  For
>> example:
>>>> Word
>>>> PowerPoint
>>>> Excel
>>>> Windows Operating Systems
>>>> Windows Browsers
>>>> 2.  Is there anything you wish Microsoft products 
>>>> would/could/should do
>> that they are not doing?
>>>> 
>>>> 3.  In your opinion, what should Microsoft's accessibility 
>>>> priorities be?
>>>> 
>>>> Any help or input you could provide would be appreciated.  This is 
>>>> a
>> unique opportunity to get ideas and requests up the chain at 
>> Microsoft, so please don't underestimate the importance of your feedback.
>>>> 
>>>> Please share with others in your network as you see fit.  I will be
>> reviewing the list with Anne Taylor the week of March 22nd, so there 
>> is time to reach out to others.
>>>> _________________
>>>> 
>>>> For kids
>>>> 
>>>> Jan McSorley
>>>> Head of Accessibility
>>>> School Line of Business
>>>> Pearson Assessment Centre
>>>> 
>>>> M: (512) 673-9569
>>>> E: jan.mcsorley at pearson.com
>>>> 
>>>> Pearson
>>>> Always Learning
>>>> Learn more at www.pearsonk12.com
>>>> 
>>>> We put a man on the moon in the 1960's ... surely we can make 
>>>> information
>> technology fully accessible to people with disabilities.  It can be 
>> done ...
>> it must be done ... it will be done!
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