[nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO

Sat Feb 20 04:32:06 UTC 2016

I don't hate the ribbons at all, and I don't think this is an 
accessibility issue. If you look at the features and functions that have 
been added since Office 2003, and you wanted to be able to get to those 
functions through the classic menus, you'd also have to go through 
millions of pull downs and sub menus to find them. I find using the grid 
in Office 2013 when I want to paste content into an Office document, and 
sometimes I want text only versus using the target format or the source 
format to be a breath of fresh air compared to how I had to either know 
the right key sequence or hunt for the right  submenu in earlier 
versions of Office.

On 19/02/16 19:25, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
> Some people will say that this is not accessibility, but I very much think
> that it is. Have an option to bring back the old menubar instead of that
> stupid ribbon. I basically have to memorize all of the keystrokes from
> office 2003 in order to get anything done because the stuff on the ribbon is
> iimpossible to find, has keystrokes that are four, five, or six steps long,
> and, in some cases, do not work.
>   Some of the old shortcut keys do not work anymore, like pressing alt p in
> Outlook to get to the options for a message. If you look hard enough, you
> can get back to the old dialogs for different stuff, like page layout in
> Word or message options in Outlook, but it takes ten million steps to get
> there. Okay, exaggerating, but that is what it seems like.
> 	There is another problem with Internet Explorer. I do not know if it
> has been fixed in the new browser. Screen readers often send an
> accessibility event instead of passing through the keystroke of enter or
> space. When this happens, the browser decides how to handle it. All other
> browsers, afaik, use mouse down, mouse up, click as the events that the
> browser fires for an accessibility event, but Internet Explorer only uses
> click. Many web companies do not know this and make controls that listen on
> mouse up, so they are not accessible with screen readers and Internet
> Explorer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeanine Lineback
> via nfbcs
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: Doug Lee
> Cc: Jeanine Lineback; List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology;
> Jeanine Lineback via nfbcs
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO
>
> Thank you Doug,
> Regarding the Link 2013 in the Skype for business issues with jaws and other
> screen readers like NVDA I have also reported these problems. :-) They are a
> major issue especially the notifications taking over from other
> applications. Definitely a productivity downer. Frown
>
> Dictated on an iPhone.
>
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org> wrote:
>>
>> Please pass this on, though Anne is well aware of this concern, and
>> the fact that I've been harping about this for about nine months. :)
>>
>> Two serious issues in Lync 2013 and Skype for Business 2016, highest
> priority first:
>>
>> 1. Every incoming chat message fires a MenuOpened event and forces AT
>> users to Alt+Tab twice in order to continue whatever they were doing
>> before the message arrived. This is a very severe productivity killer,
>> and this issue alone has forced me to recommend to large companies
>> that they refrain from upgrading beyond Lync
>> 2010 for users who are blind or use a screen reader.
>>
>> Note that while I am aware that the delay in fixing this issue is due
>> to difficulty deciding what system to use for incoming chat
>> notifications, I urge that the menuOpened events be stopped
>> immediately even if this results in no notification of an incoming chat.
> Silent chat arrival is a problem but does not impair use of every other
> application on the computer.
>>
>> 2. Frequently during an active voice call in Lync 2013 and Skype for
>> Business 2016, the keyboard is taken over in such a way as to prevent
>> many JAWS commands from working. Again, a user must Alt+Tab to rectify
>> this situation. My very rough estimate is that this happens at least once
> every 5-10 minutes, though my recollection of the time interval is
> imprecise.
>>
>> I am forwarding this message to some members of my office
>> accessibility team in case they have further thoughts.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:03:25AM -0600, NFBCS mailing list wrote:
>> I have been asked to circulate the following message.  This also applies
> to your own personal experience with Microsoft product, even though the
> below email specifies serving students and adults.
>>
>> Jeanine Lineback
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: "McSorley, Jan" <jan.mcsorley at pearson.com>
>>> Date: February 16, 2016 at 12:42:29 PM CST
>>> To: Jeanine Kay Lineback <jeanine.lineback at gmail.com>, Edgar Lozano
>>> <lozano.edgar94 at gmail.com>, Su Park <su.park98 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I just got off a call with Anne Taylor who, as you know, used to be the
> Director of Access Technology at the National Federation of the Blind.  She
> now works for Microsoft and her boss is Microsoft's new Chief Accessibility
> Officer.
>>>
>>> Anne asked me to compile a list of access barriers in Microsoft products
> that impede the work I am trying to accomplish at Pearson, but I would like
> to take this opportunity to get additional feedback from others in the
> field.  I would love to add your insights and opinions on how Microsoft
> could help improve education, productivity, etc. of people  with
> disabilities by making improvements in the accessibility of their products.
>>>
>>> I will be working on a list of ideas for Anne, but if you have any
> thoughts or feedback on the following questions, I will be sure to share
> your name(s) as contributors to the list:
>>>
>>> 1. Are there any access barriers to using Microsoft products that make it
> difficult for you to serve students or adults with disabilities.  For
> example:
>>> Word
>>> PowerPoint
>>> Excel
>>> Windows Operating Systems
>>> Windows Browsers
>>> 2.  Is there anything you wish Microsoft products would/could/should do
> that they are not doing?
>>>
>>> 3.  In your opinion, what should Microsoft's accessibility priorities be?
>>>
>>> Any help or input you could provide would be appreciated.  This is a
> unique opportunity to get ideas and requests up the chain at Microsoft, so
> please don't underestimate the importance of your feedback.
>>>
>>> Please share with others in your network as you see fit.  I will be
> reviewing the list with Anne Taylor the week of March 22nd, so there is time
> to reach out to others.
>>> _________________
>>>
>>> For kids
>>>
>>> Jan McSorley
>>> Head of Accessibility
>>> School Line of Business
>>> Pearson Assessment Centre
>>>
>>> M: (512) 673-9569
>>> E: jan.mcsorley at pearson.com
>>>
>>> Pearson
>>> Always Learning
>>> Learn more at www.pearsonk12.com
>>>
>>> We put a man on the moon in the 1960's ... surely we can make information
> technology fully accessible to people with disabilities.  It can be done ...
> it must be done ... it will be done!
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