[nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO
Nicole Torcolini
ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Mon Feb 29 05:16:02 UTC 2016
You mean having the web browser tell the website that it is a mobile
browser. It is the website itself that decides to which site to send the
user based on the web browser, not the web browser itself.
This should not be that hard; I know that it is already possible to
have IE tell the website that it is another version.
However, I would not advertise it as an accessibility feature. Too
many companies are already cutting corners and not making their main
websites accessible because they are sending people to their mobile sites,
which, although more accessible, often lack features. Also, companies
probably over simplify the reason that mobile websites are more accessible
and just assume that, if it works on mobile, then it is accessible, so, in
the end, it does not really gain us anything.
Nicole
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Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO
This may have been forwarded to accessibility team already, but I thought
about the possibility of Tricking web browsers into thinking that it needs
to go to a mobile version of the website. This might be helpful when screen
readers are being used.
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> On Feb 19, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Jude DaShiell via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> That's usability and the new accessibility standards when implemented will
include usability too.On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 20:25:07
>> From: Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>,
>> 'Doug Lee' <dgl at dlee.org>
>> Cc: Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>,
>> 'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new
>> CAO Some people will say that this is not accessibility, but I very
>> much think that it is. Have an option to bring back the old menubar
>> instead of that stupid ribbon. I basically have to memorize all of
>> the keystrokes from office 2003 in order to get anything done because
>> the stuff on the ribbon is iimpossible to find, has keystrokes that
>> are four, five, or six steps long, and, in some cases, do not work.
>> Some of the old shortcut keys do not work anymore, like pressing alt
>> p in Outlook to get to the options for a message. If you look hard
>> enough, you can get back to the old dialogs for different stuff, like
>> page layout in Word or message options in Outlook, but it takes ten
>> million steps to get there. Okay, exaggerating, but that is what it seems
like.
>> There is another problem with Internet Explorer. I do not know if
>> it has been fixed in the new browser. Screen readers often send an
>> accessibility event instead of passing through the keystroke of enter
>> or space. When this happens, the browser decides how to handle it.
>> All other browsers, afaik, use mouse down, mouse up, click as the
>> events that the browser fires for an accessibility event, but
>> Internet Explorer only uses click. Many web companies do not know
>> this and make controls that listen on mouse up, so they are not
>> accessible with screen readers and Internet Explorer.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeanine
>> Lineback via nfbcs
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: Doug Lee
>> Cc: Jeanine Lineback; List for teachers and trainers of adaptive
>> technology; Jeanine Lineback via nfbcs
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new
>> CAO
>>
>> Thank you Doug,
>> Regarding the Link 2013 in the Skype for business issues with jaws
>> and other screen readers like NVDA I have also reported these
>> problems. :-) They are a major issue especially the notifications
>> taking over from other applications. Definitely a productivity
>> downer. Frown
>>
>> Dictated on an iPhone.
>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please pass this on, though Anne is well aware of this concern, and
>>> the fact that I've been harping about this for about nine months. :)
>>>
>>> Two serious issues in Lync 2013 and Skype for Business 2016, highest
>> priority first:
>>>
>>> 1. Every incoming chat message fires a MenuOpened event and forces
>>> AT users to Alt+Tab twice in order to continue whatever they were
>>> doing before the message arrived. This is a very severe productivity
>>> killer, and this issue alone has forced me to recommend to large
>>> companies that they refrain from upgrading beyond Lync
>>> 2010 for users who are blind or use a screen reader.
>>>
>>> Note that while I am aware that the delay in fixing this issue is
>>> due to difficulty deciding what system to use for incoming chat
>>> notifications, I urge that the menuOpened events be stopped
>>> immediately even if this results in no notification of an incoming chat.
>> Silent chat arrival is a problem but does not impair use of every
>> other application on the computer.
>>>
>>> 2. Frequently during an active voice call in Lync 2013 and Skype for
>>> Business 2016, the keyboard is taken over in such a way as to
>>> prevent many JAWS commands from working. Again, a user must Alt+Tab
>>> to rectify this situation. My very rough estimate is that this
>>> happens at least once
>> every 5-10 minutes, though my recollection of the time interval is
>> imprecise.
>>>
>>> I am forwarding this message to some members of my office
>>> accessibility team in case they have further thoughts.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:03:25AM -0600, NFBCS mailing list wrote:
>>> I have been asked to circulate the following message. This also
>>> applies
>> to your own personal experience with Microsoft product, even though
>> the below email specifies serving students and adults.
>>>
>>> Jeanine Lineback
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: "McSorley, Jan" <jan.mcsorley at pearson.com>
>>>> Date: February 16, 2016 at 12:42:29 PM CST
>>>> To: Jeanine Kay Lineback <jeanine.lineback at gmail.com>, Edgar Lozano
>>>> <lozano.edgar94 at gmail.com>, Su Park <su.park98 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I just got off a call with Anne Taylor who, as you know, used to be
>>>> the
>> Director of Access Technology at the National Federation of the
>> Blind. She now works for Microsoft and her boss is Microsoft's new
>> Chief Accessibility Officer.
>>>>
>>>> Anne asked me to compile a list of access barriers in Microsoft
>>>> products
>> that impede the work I am trying to accomplish at Pearson, but I
>> would like to take this opportunity to get additional feedback from
>> others in the field. I would love to add your insights and opinions
>> on how Microsoft could help improve education, productivity, etc. of
>> people with disabilities by making improvements in the accessibility of
their products.
>>>>
>>>> I will be working on a list of ideas for Anne, but if you have any
>> thoughts or feedback on the following questions, I will be sure to
>> share your name(s) as contributors to the list:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Are there any access barriers to using Microsoft products that
>>>> make it
>> difficult for you to serve students or adults with disabilities. For
>> example:
>>>> Word
>>>> PowerPoint
>>>> Excel
>>>> Windows Operating Systems
>>>> Windows Browsers
>>>> 2. Is there anything you wish Microsoft products
>>>> would/could/should do
>> that they are not doing?
>>>>
>>>> 3. In your opinion, what should Microsoft's accessibility priorities
be?
>>>>
>>>> Any help or input you could provide would be appreciated. This is
>>>> a
>> unique opportunity to get ideas and requests up the chain at
>> Microsoft, so please don't underestimate the importance of your feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Please share with others in your network as you see fit. I will be
>> reviewing the list with Anne Taylor the week of March 22nd, so there
>> is time to reach out to others.
>>>> _________________
>>>>
>>>> For kids
>>>>
>>>> Jan McSorley
>>>> Head of Accessibility
>>>> School Line of Business
>>>> Pearson Assessment Centre
>>>>
>>>> M: (512) 673-9569
>>>> E: jan.mcsorley at pearson.com
>>>>
>>>> Pearson
>>>> Always Learning
>>>> Learn more at www.pearsonk12.com
>>>>
>>>> We put a man on the moon in the 1960's ... surely we can make
>>>> information
>> technology fully accessible to people with disabilities. It can be done
...
>> it must be done ... it will be done!
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