[nfbcs] NVDA and JAWS [was "Re: Petition Asking President Obama To Direct the JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations"]

Sun Jan 17 04:17:46 UTC 2016

True. However, regardless of whether or not something is a truth, what often
matters the most is the way in which it is stated.

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Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA and JAWS [was "Re: Petition Asking President Obama
To Direct the JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations"]

The unfortunate reality is that you simply *can't* do everything with one
screen reader. There's certainly no reason not to have more than one if you
can afford one, because NVDA is free software. Both definitions of free.
Window-Eyes is even no cost if you have Office 2010 or newer. 

The other unfortunate reality is that Jaws 13.0 *is* antiquated, and that
isn't meant to make anyone feel bad, it's just a fact. You really can't use
a three year old version of anything and expect it to behave correctly with
something that's newer. It just isn't realistic. 

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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: 814-860-3194 
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name

> On Jan 16, 2016, at 10:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain via nfbcs
<nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree that it's good to have NVDA in your tool box regardless of what
version of JAWS you're running, but it isn't always possible for people to
keep up with a product like JAWS, and using two different screen readers can
be frustrating. I think it's OK to suggest JAWS, but there's no need to make
anyone feel bad by calling the tools they can afford to use "antiquated".
> 
> On 16/01/16 15:18, Jude DaShiell via nfbcs wrote:
>> This is why when jaws users know they're not going to be able to update
>> jaws it's a good idea to have installed nvda to do the jobs their
>> antiquated version of jaws can no longer do.
>> 
>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, Mike Freeman via nfbcs wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:03:52
>>> From: Mike Freeman via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Petition Asking President Obama To Direct the
>>>    JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations
>>> 
>>> excess ability does not imply backward compatibility. Your version of
>>> jaws is several versions out of date. I suspect it may be part of the
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:52, Jennifer Aberdeen via nfbcs
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why is this patition not accessible? When I click on the submit
>>>> button, in different ways; enter, space, left mouse button on the num
>>>> pad, nothing happens.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm using jaws 13 with win 7 and IE 11.
>>>> 
>>>> Jen
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:38 PM
>>>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Curtis Chong
>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Petition Asking President Obama To Direct the
>>>> JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings:
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016, the National Federation of the Blind
>>>> launched
>>>> a petition (the link to which is provided below) calling on the Obama
>>>> administration promptly to release the long-awaited ADA internet
>>>> regulations. On the 20th anniversary of the Americans with
>>>> Disabilities Act
>>>> (way back in 2010), President Obama said that he would issue
regulations
>>>> implementing the requirement for accessible websites, noting that
>>>> they would
>>>> be "the most important updates to the ADA since its original
enactment."
>>>> President Obama now says that the regulations will not be released
until
>>>> 2018, after he leaves office.
>>>> 
>>>> For those of who are blind, inaccessible websites can make it
>>>> impossible to
>>>> apply for jobs, participate in online courses, or conduct vital
personal
>>>> financial business. Website developers need guidance on how to comply
>>>> with
>>>> the law. Failing to provide that guidance is irresponsible and
>>>> inconsistent
>>>> with President Obama's expressed commitment to civil rights.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are interested in signing the petition (and I hope you are),
>>>> point
>>>> your browser to this link.
>>>> 
>>>>
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promp
>>>> 
>>>> tly-release-ada-internet-regulations
>>>> 
>>>> As an example of the need for these regulations, some JAWS users
running
>>>> Internet Explorer have reported a problem with the "sign" button when
>>>> attempting to add their name. Here are some solutions to help
>>>> mitigate that
>>>> problem.
>>>> 
>>>> 1.            Try routing the JAWS cursor to PC (Insert+Numpad
>>>> Minus), and
>>>> pressing  the left mouse button (Numpad Slash), and the "sign" button
>>>> will
>>>> be selected.
>>>> 
>>>> 2.            Alternatively, you can sign the petition using the
Mozilla
>>>> Firefox browser.
>>>> 
>>>> The petition is reported to be accessible using iOS devices such as
>>>> the iPad
>>>> or iPhone.
>>>> 
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> 
>>>> Curtis Chong, President
>>>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science
>>>> 
>>>> 
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