[nfbcs] NVDA and JAWS [was "Re: Petition Asking President Obama To Direct the JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations"]

Sun Jan 17 04:34:58 UTC 2016

The idea that anything that's three years old is antiquated is 
incorrect. I'm sure quite a few people on this list are using Office2013 
or Office 2010 if not something older. Microsoft and many companies 
support products for more than three years. People used Windows XP for 
ten years and beyond.

I never saw anything on this list that the problem accessing this 
petition has to do with the version of JAWS being used. I get the 
impression that people using more recent versions of JAWS are 
experiencing the same problem. In other words, I didn't see anything in 
this thread that JAWS 13 can't do the job and can't be used affectively 
for all sorts of tasks. It seems to me that people are just jumping to 
conclusions and using this message to make a point rather than help a 
JAWS user solve their problem and submit this petition.

Obviously, I can't tell people what words they can and cannot use, but I 
think information can be provided in a more sympathetic tone. I'm sure 
most people running JAWS 13 would like to upgrade, and they don't need 
to have their faces rubbed in the fact that they can't afford an update. 
No one may have intended to make anyone feel bad but communication is a 
two way street, and people need to take into account not just how their 
words are intended but how they may be received.

On 16/01/16 22:08, Buddy Brannan via nfbcs wrote:
> The unfortunate reality is that you simply *can't* do everything with one screen reader. There's certainly no reason not to have more than one if you can afford one, because NVDA is free software. Both definitions of free. Window-Eyes is even no cost if you have Office 2010 or newer.
>
> The other unfortunate reality is that Jaws 13.0 *is* antiquated, and that isn't meant to make anyone feel bad, it's just a fact. You really can't use a three year old version of anything and expect it to behave correctly with something that's newer. It just isn't realistic.
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>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 10:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that it's good to have NVDA in your tool box regardless of what version of JAWS you're running, but it isn't always possible for people to keep up with a product like JAWS, and using two different screen readers can be frustrating. I think it's OK to suggest JAWS, but there's no need to make anyone feel bad by calling the tools they can afford to use "antiquated".
>>
>> On 16/01/16 15:18, Jude DaShiell via nfbcs wrote:
>>> This is why when jaws users know they're not going to be able to update
>>> jaws it's a good idea to have installed nvda to do the jobs their
>>> antiquated version of jaws can no longer do.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, Mike Freeman via nfbcs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:03:52
>>>> From: Mike Freeman via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Petition Asking President Obama To Direct the
>>>>     JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations
>>>>
>>>> excess ability does not imply backward compatibility. Your version of
>>>> jaws is several versions out of date. I suspect it may be part of the
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:52, Jennifer Aberdeen via nfbcs
>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this patition not accessible? When I click on the submit
>>>>> button, in different ways; enter, space, left mouse button on the num
>>>>> pad, nothing happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm using jaws 13 with win 7 and IE 11.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jen
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong via nfbcs
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:38 PM
>>>>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Curtis Chong
>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Petition Asking President Obama To Direct the
>>>>> JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016, the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> launched
>>>>> a petition (the link to which is provided below) calling on the Obama
>>>>> administration promptly to release the long-awaited ADA internet
>>>>> regulations. On the 20th anniversary of the Americans with
>>>>> Disabilities Act
>>>>> (way back in 2010), President Obama said that he would issue regulations
>>>>> implementing the requirement for accessible websites, noting that
>>>>> they would
>>>>> be "the most important updates to the ADA since its original enactment."
>>>>> President Obama now says that the regulations will not be released until
>>>>> 2018, after he leaves office.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of who are blind, inaccessible websites can make it
>>>>> impossible to
>>>>> apply for jobs, participate in online courses, or conduct vital personal
>>>>> financial business. Website developers need guidance on how to comply
>>>>> with
>>>>> the law. Failing to provide that guidance is irresponsible and
>>>>> inconsistent
>>>>> with President Obama's expressed commitment to civil rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are interested in signing the petition (and I hope you are),
>>>>> point
>>>>> your browser to this link.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promp
>>>>>
>>>>> tly-release-ada-internet-regulations
>>>>>
>>>>> As an example of the need for these regulations, some JAWS users running
>>>>> Internet Explorer have reported a problem with the "sign" button when
>>>>> attempting to add their name. Here are some solutions to help
>>>>> mitigate that
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.            Try routing the JAWS cursor to PC (Insert+Numpad
>>>>> Minus), and
>>>>> pressing  the left mouse button (Numpad Slash), and the "sign" button
>>>>> will
>>>>> be selected.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.            Alternatively, you can sign the petition using the Mozilla
>>>>> Firefox browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> The petition is reported to be accessible using iOS devices such as
>>>>> the iPad
>>>>> or iPhone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>
>>>>> Curtis Chong, President
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science
>>>>>
>>>>>
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