[nfbcs] The Mac Beckens
Christopher Chaltain
chaltain at gmail.com
Wed Jan 20 04:27:02 UTC 2016
That's a good point. When the poster said they didn't think that has
happened yet, I wasn't sure what they meant, so in case they were saying
that there isn't malware for the Mac, I thought I'd grab an article that
talked about the malware for the Mac that is out there the. I figured
any article talking about security issues with a particular platform
would get some criticism, so I just grabbed one quickly just to point
out that malware for the Mac does certainly exist today.
On 19/01/16 08:44, John G Heim via nfbcs wrote:
> Trying to be as fair as possible here, I find that first article rather
> bizarre. It explains how misleading it can be to call an operating
> system more secure based on the sheer number of reported vulnerabilities
> and then it goes on to do just that. I am guessing the problem is that
> it's not clear when they are editoralizing and when they are simply
> reporting facts.
> Honestly, I don't think anybody who knows anything about security takes
> numbers like that seriously. Particularly with the linux kernel, which
> is open source and anyone in the world can poke around and report a bug,
> it's not comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing elephants and
> oranges.
>
>
>
> On 01/18/2016 03:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain via nfbcs wrote:
>> I'm not sure I understand your message. At the current time there are
>> security issues with Mac OSX. Here's one article that talks to it
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/mac-os-x-is-the-most-vulnerable-os-claims-security-firm/
>>
>>
>> It's also already true that there is more malware attacking the Mac
>> than ever before. Here's an article that talks to that
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993302/security/is-apples-security-honeymoon-on-os-x-ending.html
>>
>>
>> Companies are also using and relying on Windows, so I'm not sure this
>> tells us much, other than we shouldn't rely on hearsay and what we
>> hear in TV commercials.
>>
>> On 18/01/16 09:53, Nicole Torcolini wrote:
>>> Well, apparently, at the current time, that has not happened, and,
>>> although I agree that it is inevitable, companies seem to be relying
>>> on it
>>> currently. Also, from what I have heard, Windows tends to get security
>>> problems more often than Macs.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain [mailto:chaltain at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:05 AM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Cc: Nicole Torcolini; 'Steve Jacobson'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Mac Beckens
>>>
>>> I'm sure that's true, and obviously companies and individuals can
>>> choose to
>>> run their business with whatever operating system they want to, but
>>> the Mac
>>> also has viruses and security vulnerabilities, and these will only be
>>> exploited more as Apple gains more market share and becomes more
>>> appealing
>>> to hackers.
>>>
>>> On 17/01/16 23:36, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>>> Agreed. However, there are some companies who will use Macs whenever
>>>> possible because they do not trust the security on Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>> Jacobson via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:13 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>>>> Cc: Steve Jacobson
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Mac Beckens
>>>>
>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>
>>>> One problem not really addressed is that Windows still has a solid
>>>> hold within corporations. I'm not saying that Apple doesn't exist,
>>>> nor am I saying that it might not increase its share, but right now,
>>>> Windows is pretty strong there. Some tasks that are done with Windows
>>>> on the job can be done on Apple products, but to try to do everything
>>>> with an Apple computer that is being done by others with a Windows
>>>> computer is an uphill battle within the workplace. For now, we can't
>>>> wish Windows away any more than Microsoft can wish Apple away. We
>>>> have to take both platforms seriously where accessibility is concerned.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>>>> Donahue via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:09 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Mac Beckens
>>>>
>>>> Good evening everyone,
>>>>
>>>> For some the extra money is worth it to have your device come with
>>> an
>>>> accessibility solution already built in and ready to go and not have
>>>> to hassle with the issues related to using Windows and associated
>>>> screen access systems. It's a case of convenience over cost. If one
>>>> can perform all computing tasks they did in Windows in the Apple
>>>> environment convenience will win out any day.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>>>> Chaltain via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:15 PM
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Christopher Chaltain
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Mac Beckens
>>>>
>>>> True, but with PC's you get more options when it comes to price and
>>>> with NVDA, JAWS home license, Window-Eyes and Linux, you can get a
>>>> cheaper system, including screen reader, then you can with Apple.
>>>>
>>>> On 17/01/16 14:27, John G. Heim via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>> I think one of the mainreasons people like voiceover so much is that
>>>>> it is included on every Apple device for no additional cost. That is
>>>>> non-trivial.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/17/2016 01:55 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>> Here is my opinion. I will use a Mac when hell
>>>>>> freezes over.
>>>>>> What the devil is so much better about VoiceOver?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop making empty claims without supporting them.
>>>>>> Stop cherry picking the information that you want and ignoring the
>>>>>> rest. As this article
>>>>>> <http://qz.com/588126/theres-a-good-reason-americans-are-horrible-at
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> science
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /> says, stops using facts "much like a drunk uses a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lamppost: for support, not illumination."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VoiceOver has just as many, if not more, problems
>>>>>> as other screen readers. I know because many of my coworkers use
>>>>>> Macs, and Apple is introducing more bugs than they are fixing when
>>>>>> it comes to internet use.
>>>>>> And they have no pressure to fix the bugs because, on the Mac, there
>>>>>> is no competition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has a screen reader; it is called
>>>>>> Narrator.
>>>>>> I have
>>>>>> heard that it is better on newer versions of Windows, which I have
>>>>>> not tried, but, from my experience, it does not work worth a damn. I
>>>>>> know that Microsoft has some kind of deal with Windows Eyes, but it
>>>>>> does not work well with complex websites. Also, if Microsoft will
>>>>>> not even consider accessibility when making their products, and do
>>>>>> stuff like put the ribbon everywhere, why would they be interested
>>>>>> in maintaining a screen reader?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>>>>>> Donahue via nfbcs
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:25 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>>>>>> Cc: Peter Donahue
>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] The Mac Beckens
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Microsoft would do with its Windows screen
>>>>>> reader what Apple has done with the MAC and its iDevices perhaps we
>>>>>> would have fewer issues with compatibility and accessibility tools
>>>>>> could be kept up-to-date more easily and with little to no cost.
>>>>>> Perhaps some MAC and iOS users could weigh in on this issue with the
>>>>>> petition and share their experiences with accessing it under iOS and
>>>>>> oSX. Perhaps in another few years we'll be 100% Mac and iOS users in
>>>>>> this house-hold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: nfbcs [ <mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>> via nfbcs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:35 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cc: Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA and JAWS [was "Re: Petition Asking
>>>>>> President Obama To Direct the JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA
>>>>>> Internet Regulations"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea that anything that's three years old is antiquated is
>>> incorrect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure quite a few people on this list are using Office2013 or
>>>>>> Office 2010 if not something older. Microsoft and many companies
>>>>>> support products for more than three years. People used Windows XP
>>>>>> for ten years and beyond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never saw anything on this list that the problem accessing this
>>>>>> petition has to do with the version of JAWS being used. I get the
>>>>>> impression that people using more recent versions of JAWS are
>>>>>> experiencing the same problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, I didn't see anything in this thread that JAWS 13
>>>>>> can't do the job and can't be used affectively for all sorts of
>>>>>> tasks. It seems to me that people are just jumping to conclusions
>>>>>> and using this message to make a point rather than help a JAWS user
>>>>>> solve their problem and submit this petition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously, I can't tell people what words they can and cannot use,
>>>>>> but I think information can be provided in a more sympathetic tone.
>>>>>> I'm sure most people running JAWS 13 would like to upgrade, and they
>>>>>> don't need to have their faces rubbed in the fact that they can't
>>>>>> afford an update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one may have intended to make anyone feel bad but communication
>>>>>> is a two way street, and people need to take into account not just
>>>>>> how their words are intended but how they may be received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/01/16 22:08, Buddy Brannan via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The unfortunate reality is that you simply *can't* do everything
>>>>>>> with one
>>>>>> screen reader. There's certainly no reason not to have more than one
>>>>>> if you can afford one, because NVDA is free software. Both
>>>>>> definitions of free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Window-Eyes is even no cost if you have Office 2010 or newer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other unfortunate reality is that Jaws 13.0 *is* antiquated,
>>>>>>> and that
>>>>>> isn't meant to make anyone feel bad, it's just a fact. You really
>>>>>> can't use a three year old version of anything and expect it to
>>>>>> behave correctly with something that's newer. It just isn't
>>>>>> realistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>>>> Email: <mailto:buddy at brannan.name> buddy at brannan.name
>>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 10:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain via nfbcs
>>>>>> < <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org> nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree that it's good to have NVDA in your tool box regardless of
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>> version of JAWS you're running, but it isn't always possible for
>>>>>> people to keep up with a product like JAWS, and using two different
>>>>>> screen readers can be frustrating. I think it's OK to suggest JAWS,
>>>>>> but there's no need to make anyone feel bad by calling the tools
>>>>>> they can afford to use "antiquated".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16/01/16 15:18, Jude DaShiell via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This is why when jaws users know they're not going to be able to
>>>>>>>>> update jaws it's a good idea to have installed nvda to do the
>>>>>>>>> jobs their antiquated version of jaws can no longer do.
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, Mike Freeman via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:03:52
>>>>>>>>>> From: Mike Freeman via nfbcs < <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Mike Freeman < <mailto:k7uij at panix.com> k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Petition Asking President Obama To Direct
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations excess
>>>>>>>>>> ability does not imply backward compatibility. Your version of
>>>>>>>>>> jaws is several versions out of date. I suspect it may be part
>>>>>>>>>> of the problem.
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:52, Jennifer Aberdeen via nfbcs <
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org> nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this patition not accessible? When I click on the submit
>>>>>>>>>>> button, in different ways; enter, space, left mouse button on
>>>>>>>>>>> the num pad, nothing happens.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using jaws 13 with win 7 and IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jen
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong via nfbcs
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:38 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Curtis Chong
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Petition Asking President Obama To Direct the
>>>>>>>>>>> JusticeDepartment to Issue ADA Internet Regulations
>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016, the National Federation of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Blind launched a petition (the link to which is provided below)
>>>>>>>>>>> calling on the Obama administration promptly to release the
>>>>>>>>>>> long-awaited ADA internet regulations. On the 20th anniversary
>>>>>>>>>>> of the Americans with Disabilities Act (way back in 2010),
>>>>>>>>>>> President Obama said that he would issue regulations
>>>>>>>>>>> implementing the requirement for accessible websites, noting
>>>>>>>>>>> that they would be "the most important updates to the ADA since
>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>> original enactment."
>>>>>>>>>>> President Obama now says that the regulations will not be
>>>>>>>>>>> released until 2018, after he leaves office.
>>>>>>>>>>> For those of who are blind, inaccessible websites can make it
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible to apply for jobs, participate in online courses, or
>>>>>>>>>>> conduct vital personal financial business. Website developers
>>>>>>>>>>> need guidance on how to comply with the law. Failing to provide
>>>>>>>>>>> that guidance is irresponsible and inconsistent with President
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's expressed commitment to civil rights.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are interested in signing the petition (and I hope you
>>>>>>>>>>> are), point your browser to this link.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department
>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> jus>
>>>>>> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-jus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tice-promp
>>>>>>>>>>> tly-release-ada-internet-regulations
>>>>>>>>>>> As an example of the need for these regulations, some JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>> users running Internet Explorer have reported a problem with the
>>> "sign"
>>>>>>>>>>> button when attempting to add their name. Here are some
>>>>>>>>>>> solutions to help mitigate that problem.
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Try routing the JAWS cursor to PC (Insert+Numpad
>>>>>>>>>>> Minus), and
>>>>>>>>>>> pressing the left mouse button (Numpad Slash), and the "sign"
>>>>>>>>>>> button will be selected.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Alternatively, you can sign the petition using the
>>>>>> Mozilla
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox browser.
>>>>>>>>>>> The petition is reported to be accessible using iOS devices
>>>>>>>>>>> such as the iPad or iPhone.
>>>>>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis Chong, President
>>>>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science
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