[nfbcs] Question about learning Java

[Susan Stanzel]

My first question would be where are you in your education? If you want to get a job I believe you should learn java. I just retired from the US department of agriculture and I use java with Eclipse. Java is a wonderful language. I did no COBOL and this was a huge change for me. You would need to probably use whatever IDE your employer uses. Everyone in my shop used eclipse and that worked very well. My name is Susie Stanzel and I just retired after 43 years in this computer industry. I was the treas ureri of the nfb in computer science for 40 years. This list is a great resource. Susie Stanzel

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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Bryan Duarte via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hello Debee,
> 
> This is a great topic and great questions. I myself love Java very much because of its extensive support and powerful data structures. There are arrays, lists, array lists, queues, stacks, and iterators plus much more that are very well documented and easy to use out of the box. 
> 
> I also really enjoy using Python. Python also has an ever growing list of libraries which make it amazing to use. I honestly believe Python is on of the most powerful languages due to the amount of libraries available to use with it. You can do graphics processing, symbol table libraries, networking capabilities, and the ability to script for automating tasks. It is an interpreted language so you can simply open a console window and write code in real time. 
> 
> Over all they are both very good and powerful languages. My question for you would be, what would you like to do with it? You can do anything with either language but there are some things that might work better or be better suited with one verses the other. 
> 
> To address your other questions. You absolutely can program without an IDE. In fact I rarely use an IDE unless the project I am working on is going to be written in Java or is going to be very large. IDE's help out a lot when packaging software files, and even more when formatting, correcting, and debugging code. For the most part I can get away with using VIM or some other text editor and my command line. I do use Eclipse a lot for Java, Python, and some C or C++. With java Eclipse is truly amazing. With Python on the Mac I use text mate or VIM. The command line is my best friend when it comes to compiling, debugging, and executing my code so dont worry about having to use an IDE. I hope this helps a little. Great questions and I am sure others on the list have other feedback to provide you as well.
> 
> Go Devils!
> 
> Bryan Duarte software engineer
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>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Deborah Armstrong via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> So I'm trying to decide whether my next language should be java or python, neither of which I know. I'll start a separate thread here about python. I would be doing this just for my own personal enrichment.
>> 
>> I've done enormous amounts of code in scripting languages, vpscript, javascript, bash etc. I've done moderate amounts of code in C++, C, Pascal and assembly. So I know how to program though I'm not brilliant. And I've studied UML and design patterns so I have some grasp of OOP methodologies. I tend to use Perl when I want to create a program for myself and not an employer.
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>> Looking in to Java courses, and I have access to many, everyone seems to be using an IDE. Can I take a Java course without using an IDE? Seemed like people used to be able to compile on the command line, but I see few references to it now. I prefer to take a formal course instead of teach myself because it's more fun.
>> I know Linux and Windows well, though I'm not a huge fan of Orca.
>> 
>> --Debee
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