[nfbcs] virtualbox (was: Putty accessibility)
Jack Heim
john at johnheim.com
Mon Apr 17 00:00:56 UTC 2017
The debian installer is accessible within a virtualbox virtual machine.
If you configure a sound card, you can get speech during the install by
pressing the S key. I have to create a lot of virtual machines so I have
a bash script to do it. When I need a new debian virtual machine, I just
tweak this script. I'll provide a link to the script but keep in mind
that I wrote it for my own use, never thinking I'd share it with anyone.
At the very least, you can use it as a collection of examples of using
the vboxmanage command, even if you use Windows.
http://www.iavit.org/~john/virtualbox/debian64
You have to put the debian net installer iso image somewhere that the
script can get to it and tweak the script to tell it where the image is.
The script creates a virtual DVD drive and loads the ISO image into it.
It creates a virtual disk inside the subdirectory that Virtualbox
creates for the virtual machine. You may have to tweak things like how
much ram and how big a disk you want.
If you want, I can fix up the script so it's more generally useful and
create a wiki entry on wiki.iavit.org to explain how to use it. But give
me a few days to get that done.
On 04/16/2017 06:03 PM, Christopher Chaltain via nfbcs wrote:
> I've installed Linux in a virtual machine multiple times. In my case, I
> usually use VMware Player and Vinux. I've done this in both Windows and
> Linux. I've also installed other distributions, such as Fedora, Sonar
> and Ubuntu. In VMware Player, I just follow the wizard, point the boot
> device to an ISO of the distribution and then when the virtual machine
> boots up, just start Orca with Alt+Super+s, unless of course it comes up
> automatically or another key sequence is used to start Orca.
>
> On 16/04/17 17:48, Tony Malykh via nfbcs wrote:
>> Jack,
>>
>> Do you know any good accessible way to either install Linux inside a
>> VM or obtain a pre-installed VM image? I was exploring the possibility
>> of using either VirtualBox or qemu, but coulden't find an accessible
>> way of installing Linux.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On 4/16/17, Jack Heim via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Well, that's a good point. What you'd have to do, even in linux, is to
>>> enable the screen reader in the virtual machine. There is a really good
>>> screen reader, speakup, for the linux character interface. And it is
>>> enable by default if you turn it on during the install in debian linux.
>>> I had to abandon Windows years ago because I am a linux sys admin and I
>>> decided it just wasn't practical to admin linux machines from Windows.
>>> But if I had to have Windows on my desktop, I think I'd try the virtual
>>> machine approach.
>>>
>>> Back then I tried putty, SecureCRT, teraterm, and openssh. What I used
>>> most was probably nvda and openssh.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/16/2017 11:58 AM, Nicole Torcolini wrote:
>>>> VM's that require splitting memory generally don't work well with
>>>> Windows
>>>> when using a screen reader, particularly if the screen reader is JAWS.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack Heim
>>>> via
>>>> nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:52 AM
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Jack Heim
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Putty accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Have you considered using a virtual machine? I am a native linux
>>>> user so
>>>> I
>>>> don't know much about virtualization in Windows. But I use
>>>> virtualbox and
>>>> I
>>>> know that's available for Windows too. Virtualbox has a really nice
>>>> command
>>>> line interface that I use to create and operate my virtual machines.
>>>> On 04/15/2017 11:30 PM, Kartik Sawhney via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>> I tried that option with Linux machines provided by my university, and
>>>>> unfortunately, I can't ssh from the machine I have ssh'ed into due to
>>>>> some permissions issues. I was able to get Putty working reasonably
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/17, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know if I'm going too far, but I just had another idea that
>>>>>> might involve no hacking. If you have access to a Linux machine, you
>>>>>> might want to set up google cloud client thereand then ssh to that
>>>>>> Linux machine and inside the ssh session do another ssh inside google
>>>>>> cloud. I never worked with Google cloud, but since that's Google, I
>>>>>> think they must have a Linux version.
>>>>>> And if you don't have a Linux instance at hand, you can get one in
>>>>>> amazon EC2 cloud for $10 a year. That's what I do, and amazon's
>>>>>> website is fully accessible with jaws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/15/17, Kartik Sawhney <sawhney.kartik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah, will give it a shot. Thanks everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/15/17, Tony Malykh via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Kartik,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was thinking that if you cannot find a proper solution, you might
>>>>>>>> try some hacking.
>>>>>>>> What would happen if you don't have putty installed on your
>>>>>>>> computer?
>>>>>>>> Maybe the google client would ask you which ssh client to use?
>>>>>>>> If not, then what I would do is to replace putty.exe with my own
>>>>>>>> program, that just prints out the command line arguments. This way
>>>>>>>> you would know how the google client invokes putty. Once you know
>>>>>>>> the arguments, you can translate them into a call to ssh.exe from
>>>> Cygwin.
>>>>>>>> You can even write a program that would do the conversion for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/15/17, Jim Barbour via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure, but that seems like the kind of thing the web
>>>>>>>>> browser could be configured to do differently. That is, launch a
>>>>>>>>> different SSH client.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Written While on the Move
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Kartik Sawhney via nfbcs
>>>>>>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been using Cygwin for the past four years, and it works
>>>>>>>>>> really well. Unfortunately, I cannot ssh into a Google Cloud VM
>>>>>>>>>> on Windows through Cygwin. Apparently, it automatically launches
>>>>>>>>>> it in putty, which is getting hard to work with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/17, Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Kartik ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Before I retired two years ago, I would have recommended
>>>>>>>>>>> SecureCRT (access Linux through windows) Terminal emulator
>>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/) instead of putty.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS worked very well with SecureCRT. SecureCRT costs around
>>>>>>>>>>> $70.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Louis Maher
>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>> Kartik Sawhney via nfbcs
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kartik Sawhney <sawhney.kartik at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Putty accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, these do not work anymore. The menu has the
>>>>>>>>>>> option to copy everything to the clickboard, but not paste.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/17, Willem Venter via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't used it in years, but I know you can paste by
>>>>>>>>>>>> pressing
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt+space and navigating to the edit menu, where there is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt+paste
>>>>>>>>>>>> menu. Also, I'm not sure about this, but double tapping the
>>>>>>>>>>>> insert key might paste too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/17, Kartik Sawhney via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone used putty before? It seems like the only way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paste from clickboard is by mouse. Is there a way around it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, vim does not read out text in the console for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason. Are there any workarounds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Kartik Sawhney,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-(510) 766-3419
>>>>>>>>>>>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/
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