[nfbcs] Research

Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kartik at gmail.com
Thu Feb 23 07:45:18 UTC 2017 

I don't necessarily agree with that. I'm just finishing my undergrad
CS degree at Stanford, and while it certainly is very rigorous,
students (both blind and sighted) get a lot of support. Also, if one
can complete a master's degree at these schools (which I'm assuming
you can if you get accommodations and access to materials), then you
should be able to get the same help as an undergrad as well. In fact,
it's easier to get the fundamentals down earlier than later. A typical
freshman coding for several years is not true in my experience, and
majority of the students, including a lot those who excel, start with
intro CS classes, and sometimes even intro math classes.

On 2/22/17, David Tseng via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> When it comes down to it, the experience imo, depends on the university.
>
> In a big research university, say top 50 in the country, the emphasis is on
> a fairly challenging course load. The profile of the typical freshman
> undergrad is someone who has been coding for quite some time, has
> familiarity with a *nix environment, and is capable of picking up major
> topics at each lecture (two or three times a week). Classes are typically
> large; say ~100-200. Professors are extremely brilliant, which also means
> they go fast. Peers are at the top of their game. CS tends to attract
> students who exceled in high school. These are kids who took multi variable
> calculus, discrete math, and linear algebra before even graduating high
> school.
>
> While in undergrad, I spoke with plenty of sighted kids who found the
> experience daunting :).
>
> If you want a taste, you can "preview" much of the lower division classes
> from Berkeley. CS61A, for example, is the first course and it is a weeder
> for just about all students.
> I don't think I know many people, including colleagues, who could stand
> against the rigorousness of the grading. But, that's why it's a top
> program. However, in that environment, even little bit counts and blindness
> is a major disadvantage because you are judged against your peers without
> having access to 100% of what they've got.
>
> If I had one piece of advice to give, skip the CS undergrad unless you're
> in a lower teir school or a university you know well to be student centric
> and not heavily weighted towards performance metrics. Get your fancy CS
> graduate degree :) at a top teir school. That is a totally different animal
> and quite a bit easier imo. I know of many blind professionals who went to
> great uni's for their masters/Ph.D's for CS and due to a variety of
> factors, they all seem to find the experience better than those who took
> the undergrad route.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via nfbcs <
> nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Amanda,
>> I have to disagree. I currently have an under grad degree in CS, and I am
>> working on a Ph.D. I am also employed full time as a computer scientist.
>> There are some issues the blind will experience with technical degrees
>> that
>> are unique to those degrees, but it's definitely doable.
>>
>> --
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2017 12:13, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs wrote:
>>
>>> I have a CS degree. I cannot in good conscience recommend it to other
>>> blind students unless they accept that they will experience a lot of
>>> hurt. I don't have satisfying answers to most of your questions.
>>>
>>> On 2/21/17, Michael via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Andy,
>>>> Thank you for your response. Before answering your questions, I will
>>>> preface
>>>> my response that this project is entirely predicated on ensuring other
>>>> blind
>>>> students, who may be considering computer science, do not do what I did;
>>>> namely, believing that blind people cannot do computer science. Now,
>>>> your
>>>> questions:
>>>> (1) No University, community college, or vocational school is funding
>>>> this;
>>>> this is an assignment that I have received on behalf of the Louisiana
>>>> Center
>>>> for the Blind (LCB) for my technology class.
>>>> (2) I graduated from the University of Nevada, Reno, this past December
>>>> with
>>>> an Honors B.A. in Philosophy with an emphasis in logic, metaphysics, and
>>>> epistemology.
>>>> (3) This guide will serve to educate prospective computer science
>>>> students
>>>> who are blind. When I was in high school, I was extremely interested in
>>>> doing computer science. I was told that blind people could not do
>>>> computer
>>>> science; mistakenly, I believed this to be true and thus proceeded into
>>>> the
>>>> liberal arts. If I can provide clarity to other students thinking about
>>>> computer science, or elucidate blind students when it comes to the
>>>> copasity
>>>> of blind people, I would be very happy. As it stands, the only place I
>>>> know
>>>> for sure this research will end up is the national Association of Blind
>>>> Students website, as I sit on the board and can make that happen.
>>>> Otherwise,
>>>> I have no idea.
>>>> (4) This is true. I did not make this anonimis. If people are willing to
>>>> answer, I would be very happy, and will of course cite you, or not cite
>>>> you,
>>>> depending on your permission. If people are not willing to, I totally
>>>> understand that as well.
>>>> I hope I was able to address your concerns.
>>>> For anyone else who wishes to help me out, you can email your responses
>>>> to
>>>> my email (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) or, if you feel confortible, just
>>>> responding to this thread.
>>>> Thank you again for all your attention and time!
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada.
>>>> Secretary, National Association of blind Students
>>>> Student, The Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andy B. via
>>>> nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:24 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Andy B. <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Research
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in answering these questions. However, you never
>>>> displayed
>>>> your credentials or qualifications in the subject. What school is
>>>> funding
>>>> this study? Where did you graduate and with what degree? What do you
>>>> intend
>>>> on doing with the guide when it is finished? The results of this survey
>>>> are
>>>> not anonymous. Therefore, people might be hesitant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael via
>>>> nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Michael <mausbun at nevada.unr.edu>
>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Research
>>>>
>>>> Hello All:
>>>>         My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am currently a student at the
>>>> Louisiana
>>>> Center for the Blind. I am conducting research, to develop a
>>>> comprehensive
>>>> guide for prospective computer science students. I would much appreciate
>>>> it
>>>> if you would take some time and answer the following questions.
>>>>         Thank you for your attention in this matter.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>
>>>> Research questions:
>>>> Advocacy:
>>>> (1)     What accommodations do you believe were most beneficial to you
>>>> in
>>>> completing your degree?
>>>> (2)     What accommodation(s) were necessary when completing visual
>>>> components
>>>> of one’s degree requirements?
>>>> (3)     In what ways have you advocated for the modification of
>>>> materials to
>>>> ensure equal access for yourself or future computer science students?
>>>> (4)     What is the most important question(s) a computer science
>>>> student should
>>>> ask their instructors before and during a selected course of study?
>>>> (5)     Are there any Universities, companies, or organizations who have
>>>> been
>>>> greater benefactors?
>>>> Academics:
>>>> (1)     How much math and science is necessary for a person to be
>>>> successful
>>>> within the computer science field.
>>>> (2)     In general, are materials accessible with access technology?
>>>> (3)     What are some effective, and somewhat universal, techniques for
>>>> manipulating and writing computer languages?
>>>> (4)     In what ways did your assignments get modified, to establish
>>>> equal
>>>> access to all requirements?
>>>> (5)     What are some effective ways for designing accessible algorithms
>>>> and
>>>> data structures?
>>>> (6)     When developing a portfolio, did you find an accessible way of
>>>> publicly
>>>> displaying your code, or for hosting your portfolio?
>>>> (7)     After publishing your code, what methods do you use to ensure
>>>> the
>>>> visible code is visually appealing or readable?
>>>> (8)     Are there any courses you might recommend to take in high school
>>>> to
>>>> prepare someone going into the computer science field?
>>>> (9)     Besides the source work required to obtain your degree, what
>>>> additional
>>>> course work might you recommend to enhance one’s employment
>>>> effectiveness?
>>>> Access technology:
>>>> (1)     What access technology gave you the greatest degree of
>>>> opportunity to
>>>> compete on an equal playing field with your peers?
>>>> (2)     What challenges did access technology present when interacting
>>>> with the
>>>> technology required to complete tasks and assignments for your computer
>>>> science degree or profession?
>>>> (3)     What role does access technology play in the completion of your
>>>> daily
>>>> assignments or tasks?
>>>> (4)     How might modifications to standard technology create more
>>>> opportunity
>>>> for usability with access technology?
>>>> General technology:
>>>> (1)     In what ways is the general technology inaccessible when paired
>>>> with
>>>> access technology? Are there any work arounds for these issues?
>>>> (2)     What sort of accommodations are necessary for the use of most
>>>> general
>>>> technology used in this field of study or profession?
>>>> (3)     Can standard tasks be completed on a unit without extensive
>>>> modification
>>>> or accommodations?
>>>> Does most technology come ready to use? Are there ways to increase one’s
>>>> productivity when using Python JavaScript C++ swift and racket, and
>>>> integrated development environments (IDEs)—such as CodeLite, Eclipse,
>>>> NetBeans, VisualWX, Xcode, and KDevelop?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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