[nfbcs] choosing a specialization within CS

Mon Mar 12 23:44:26 UTC 2018

            It does not have to be, but many people who teach it teach it in a visual way that involves moving things around and drawing. I don’t remember the specifics, but I ended up dropping out of a class in college because the professor was teaching it in the visual way. Sorry if that came across wrong—just more of a warning if people plan to take a class on it.

From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 4:16 PM
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Cc: Nicole Torcolini
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] choosing a specialization within CS

Nicole:
Can you explain why ObjC is "visual?"
Lots of blind devs know and/or use it well. If you want to do any kind of IOS development, which is really important in the industry and consists of a large portion of jobs out there. ObjectiveC and/or Swift are no more visual than other languages... Many people made that claim about Python too.
Thanks,

On 3/12/2018 6:50 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:

The only programming that I would recommend avoiding is Objective C, which
is used by Apple. It is my experience that it is very visual; there is an
accessible way, but most people don't teach it.
  Besides that, every programming language is going to have its pros
and cons. I learned programming mostly with Java using Eclipse. Now I
program in HTML and javascript using a plain text editor
; the tools used for managing the code repository also have code checking
tools. If you want a program for web programming, then try Dream Catcher.
The other side of the coin, though, is that even IDE's can mess up, and they
can be a pain in the... Even Eclipse was far from perfect. If you decide to
go for web programming, then I would recommend trying to just write it
yourself. There are plenty of straightforward tutorials on the internet.
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From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sabra Ewing via
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 11:42 PM
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Visual studio may be accessible, but the documentation definitely isn't.
There is very scarce documentation specifically designed for screen reader
users, and if you are not used to an environment like that, it is not very
intuitive. It is not like, oh, I can't remember the shortcut so I will find
it in the menus. You either know the shortcut or it's a no go as far as
visual studio is concerned because they allow you to get around with
shortcut keys, but when I was using it, I was never able to access any menus
or ribbons like in word or another program that is made by Microsoft. Also,
I don't mean offense by this, but many of the blind people who have
documentation in their brains about how to use it that they got from the
nose where, have not bothered to write a manual for the rest of us, and can
be very hottie exclusive where this knowledge is concerned. If you already
know a lot about programming though, you might have better luck using it. I
personally think that web development might be better because you can have
stylesheets and HTML really is not that hard. The only problem you might
have is with graphics, but you might not even have that problem since you
used to be cited. However, visual studio allows you to make websites as
well. They were doing that in my visual basic class. The good thing about
visual studio is if you can get it to work, you can easily move controls
around on the screen. It has a coordinate system, which no one at my
university could tell me how to work and I could not find this information
online, but if you can figure out how to work that coordinate system, you
can put controls wherever you want.

Sabra Ewing

On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Ryan Boudwin via nfbcs  <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>

wrote:

I currently work in enterprise technical support management. I've 
always had an interest in software development, and am intending to 
learn to program in order to diversify my skill set a little bit.

I had been working through freecodecamp before I found out I was 
losing my vision to RP as web development is very big in my local job 
market. I am wondering now if web development as a specialization 
still makes sense or if I should focus on a different programming 
language, like C# (since I hear Visual Studio is more accessible than 
most IDEs). My central vision still works but I don't want to count on 
that for my professional future, and I'm dealing with some eye fatigue 
issues that is motivating me to learn JAWS asap.

Is there any particular programming specialization that is more or 
less accessible than others? My current role I can do without vision, 
but I still want to learn to program.

Ryan
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