[nfbcs] choosing a specialization within CS

Andy B. sonfire11 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 13 03:05:32 UTC 2018 

The best way is to adapt your thought process to the sighted person's world. Find ways to do things visually, then resort to alternatives when that fails to work.

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From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ryan Mann via nfbcs
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Most tutorials I’ve seen about developing iPhone apps talk about dragging and dropping things in Xcode. That seems pretty visual to me. You can use HTML and JavaScript to develop smart phone apps. Check out phonegap.com. If there is a tutorial that would show me how to develop apps just by writing swift code I would like to know about it.
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> On Mar 12, 2018, at 7:16 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Nicole:
> Can you explain why ObjC is "visual?"
> Lots of blind devs know and/or use it well. If you want to do any kind 
> of IOS development, which is really important in the industry and 
> consists of a large portion of jobs out there. ObjectiveC and/or Swift 
> are no more visual than other languages... Many people made that claim 
> about Python too.
> Thanks,
> 
>> On 3/12/2018 6:50 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>> The only programming that I would recommend avoiding is Objective C, 
>> which is used by Apple. It is my experience that it is very visual; 
>> there is an accessible way, but most people don't teach it.
>>    Besides that, every programming language is going to have its pros 
>> and cons. I learned programming mostly with Java using Eclipse. Now I 
>> program in HTML and javascript using a plain text editor ; the tools 
>> used for managing the code repository also have code checking tools. 
>> If you want a program for web programming, then try Dream Catcher.
>> The other side of the coin, though, is that even IDE's can mess up, 
>> and they can be a pain in the... Even Eclipse was far from perfect. 
>> If you decide to go for web programming, then I would recommend 
>> trying to just write it yourself. There are plenty of straightforward tutorials on the internet.
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>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sabra 
>> Ewing via nfbcs
>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 11:42 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] choosing a specialization within CS
>> 
>> Visual studio may be accessible, but the documentation definitely isn't.
>> There is very scarce documentation specifically designed for screen 
>> reader users, and if you are not used to an environment like that, it 
>> is not very intuitive. It is not like, oh, I can't remember the 
>> shortcut so I will find it in the menus. You either know the shortcut 
>> or it's a no go as far as visual studio is concerned because they 
>> allow you to get around with shortcut keys, but when I was using it, 
>> I was never able to access any menus or ribbons like in word or 
>> another program that is made by Microsoft. Also, I don't mean offense 
>> by this, but many of the blind people who have documentation in their 
>> brains about how to use it that they got from the nose where, have 
>> not bothered to write a manual for the rest of us, and can be very 
>> hottie exclusive where this knowledge is concerned. If you already 
>> know a lot about programming though, you might have better luck using 
>> it. I personally think that web development might be better because 
>> you can have stylesheets and HTML really is not that hard. The only 
>> problem you might have is with graphics, but you might not even have 
>> that problem since you used to be cited. However, visual studio 
>> allows you to make websites as well. They were doing that in my 
>> visual basic class. The good thing about visual studio is if you can 
>> get it to work, you can easily move controls around on the screen. It 
>> has a coordinate system, which no one at my university could tell me 
>> how to work and I could not find this information online, but if you can figure out how to work that coordinate system, you can put controls wherever you want.
>> 
>> Sabra Ewing
>> 
>>>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Ryan Boudwin via nfbcs 
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> I currently work in enterprise technical support management. I've 
>>> always had an interest in software development, and am intending to 
>>> learn to program in order to diversify my skill set a little bit.
>>> 
>>> I had been working through freecodecamp before I found out I was 
>>> losing my vision to RP as web development is very big in my local 
>>> job market. I am wondering now if web development as a 
>>> specialization still makes sense or if I should focus on a different 
>>> programming language, like C# (since I hear Visual Studio is more 
>>> accessible than most IDEs). My central vision still works but I 
>>> don't want to count on that for my professional future, and I'm 
>>> dealing with some eye fatigue issues that is motivating me to learn JAWS asap.
>>> 
>>> Is there any particular programming specialization that is more or 
>>> less accessible than others? My current role I can do without 
>>> vision, but I still want to learn to program.
>>> 
>>> Ryan
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