[NFBCS] Windows 7 Support Has Ended As Of January 14, 2020

Jack Heim john at johnheim.com
Wed Feb 19 15:56:46 UTC 2020


Microsoft hasn' charged OEMs on a per-CPU basis since 1994.



On 2/18/20 7:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS wrote:
> I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I don't see how Microsoft 
> forcing OEM's to pay for a Windows license on a per CPU basis is related 
> to them pulling support for Windows Seven after ten years. I hate the 
> practice, because as you say, I'm paying for a Windows license even if I 
> never intend to run Windows on my PC.
> 
> 
> I assume the reason people want to keep running Windows Seven is because 
> there's something they don't like about Windows 10, but given the issues 
> with IOS 13, there were also a lot of people who didn't want to move up 
> from IOS 12, but they had no option if they wanted to continue to get 
> Apple support. I get that they got a free upgrade to IOS 13, but I also 
> got a free upgrade to Windows 10 on my virtual machine and previous laptop.
> 
> 
> I'm not saying Microsoft is a saint, but I don't think they're a villain 
> either for supporting an operating system version for 10 years.
> 
> 
> On 2/18/20 7:16 PM, Michael McQuaid wrote:
>> It is relatively easy for the government to force a company to 
>> continue support for products for a certain period of time, by 
>> enforcing escrow accounts and spare parts supplies. I am pretty sure 
>> that this is an important cost center for many industries in many 
>> countries.
>>
>> I don't think it is fair to compare Windows to iOS or Android because 
>> it is not possible to buy iOS or Android. People are forced to buy 
>> Windows in the sense that Microsoft charges the OEMs on a per-CPU 
>> basis. This is to the detriment of Linux, by the way, since every 
>> machine on which you run Linux (with a very small number of 
>> exceptions) has had a payment extracted by Microsoft for Windows.
>>
>> You are technically correct that iOS 12 doesn't get updates once iOS 
>> 13 is released but Apple does make iOS 13 available as a free upgrade 
>> for many discontinued products and will continue to do so for years. 
>> One reason I have switched to iOS from Android is that I perceive the 
>> support situation for the device to be better (on a longer time horizon).
>>
>> - Mick
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:02 PM Christopher Chaltain 
>> <chaltain at gmail.com <mailto:chaltain at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     An model of the iPhone will be supported for four or five years,
>>     but IOS 12 won't be supported once IOS 13 is released. Similarly,
>>     PC's that came with Windows Seven may be able to run with Windows
>>     10, so just as with the iPhone, the platform is still supported,
>>     but you can't stick with a particular version of IOS, at least not
>>     if you want support from Apple.
>>
>>
>>     I suppose you're right in that a lot of people have to use
>>     Microsoft products, but if you get an Iphone, you have to use IOS
>>     and Apple products. Ditto for an Android phone and Google. You
>>     could run Linux on your PC and not Windows, which is what I do.
>>
>>
>>     I don't see how a company could be forced to support a product
>>     once they've gone out of business. My point is that if you force a
>>     company to support a version of an operating system forever then
>>     costs will go up as they support an older operating system and
>>     revenue will drop forcing them to go out of business, at which
>>     point you'll lose support.
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 2/18/20 6:48 PM, Michael McQuaid wrote:
>>>     Gee, I don't think what you are saying is correct. Do you have
>>>     evidence to back this up? My impression is that iOS devices are
>>>     supported much longer than their Android counterparts.
>>>
>>>     It doesn't seem fair to compare Microsoft's holding us hostage to
>>>     other companies because other companies don't have the monopoly.
>>>     For most people, there is not a choice about using Microsoft
>>>     products.
>>>
>>>     I am similarly unsure about support being limited to the lifespan
>>>     of the company. I have the impression that in some industries,
>>>     companies must support products for a certain number of years
>>>     regardless of whether they stay in business. If not for laws
>>>     regulating them, I suspect you would see more small companies
>>>     form around one-off products and going out of business quickly to
>>>     avoid support issues.
>>>
>>>     - Mick
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:38 PM Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS
>>>     <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I suppose this is true, but any given version of IOS is only
>>>         supported
>>>         until the next version comes out. Android gets three years of
>>>         support.
>>>         Ubuntu gets five for it's LTS releases. Microsoft supported
>>>         Windows
>>>         Seven for 10 years. I suppose you can say any company making an
>>>         operating system and not supporting a version forever is
>>>         holding us
>>>         hostage, but any proprietary operating system will only be
>>>         supported as
>>>         long as the company is around anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 2/18/20 10:55 AM, Kevin via NFBCS wrote:
>>>         > This is yet another example of Microsoft holding the user
>>>         hostage.  We
>>>         > have little recourse.
>>>         >
>>>         >
>>>         > On 2/18/2020 12:34 AM, Nicole Torcolini wrote:
>>>         >>     Thanks for the information, but my Windows 7 ain't going
>>>         >> anywhere. If Microsoft wants us to use Windows 10, then
>>>         maybe they
>>>         >> should consider how some of the major changes impact blind
>>>         users.
>>>         >>
>>>         >> -----Original Message-----
>>>         >> From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>         <mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Kevin via
>>>         >> NFBCS
>>>         >> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 2:05 PM
>>>         >> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>         >> Cc: Kevin
>>>         >> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Windows 7 Support Has Ended As Of
>>>         January 14, 2020
>>>         >>
>>>         >> This was a good thing to read but I admit a hard pill to
>>>         swallow.  I
>>>         >> guess I'll need to get my rear in gear.
>>>         >>
>>>         >>
>>>         >> On 2/17/2020 4:57 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote:
>>>         >>> Windows 7
>>>         >>> Support Ended After January 14, 2020
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> By Curtis Chong
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> Windows 7 has been around for about a decade, and for
>>>         people who are
>>>         >>> not in
>>>         >>> the habit of regularly buying new computers, this
>>>         operating system has
>>>         >>> served them well. For many blind computer users, Windows
>>>         7 became
>>>         >>> the gold
>>>         >>> standard of operating systems.  Because of the stability
>>>         of this
>>>         >>> operating
>>>         >>> system, some folks allowed their service maintenance
>>>         agreements for
>>>         >>> JAWS
>>>         >>> and/or ZoomText to expire, figuring that everything was
>>>         working fine
>>>         >>> and
>>>         >>> hence not in need of any updates. Many of us have read
>>>         the Microsoft
>>>         >>> announcement declaring that support for Windows 7 ended
>>>         as of
>>>         >>> January 14
>>>         >>>
>>>         
>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057281/windows-7-support-ended-on 
>>>
>>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> -january-14-2020> , 2020. What does this mean for Windows
>>>         7 users?
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> First, while computers running Windows 7 will continue to
>>>         work,
>>>         >>> Microsoft is
>>>         >>> no longer sending out any security or other updates.
>>>         Using a good
>>>         >>> antivirus
>>>         >>> program (I'm not talking about the free ones) can reduce
>>>         your
>>>         >>> computer's
>>>         >>> vulnerability to security threats, but if your system is
>>>         actually
>>>         >>> compromised, I can guarantee that you will eventually not
>>>         be able to
>>>         >>> get any
>>>         >>> help at all to recover from the attack.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> Secondly, Microsoft customer service is no longer
>>>         available for
>>>         >>> Windows 7
>>>         >>> technical support. This means that you will not be able
>>>         to get any
>>>         >>> telephone
>>>         >>> help at all from Microsoft for Windows 7-not even from
>>>         the Microsoft
>>>         >>> Disability Answer Desk.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> Finally, technical support for screen reading and
>>>         magnification
>>>         >>> software
>>>         >>> will become less and less available as technical support
>>>         personnel
>>>         >>> necessarily focus most of their attention on current
>>>         versions of
>>>         >>> programs
>>>         >>> like JAWS and/or ZoomText. There will come a time when
>>>         Freedom
>>>         >>> Scientific,
>>>         >>> the company which sells these two programs, will announce
>>>         that the next
>>>         >>> version of JAWS and/or ZoomText will no longer work with
>>>         Windows 7.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> What should a Windows 7 user do? Here are my suggestions.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> 1.         Buy a new computer.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> While it is certainly possible in some cases to upgrade
>>>         your existing
>>>         >>> computer to Windows 10, experience has shown that
>>>         upgrading an existing
>>>         >>> Windows 7 computer to Windows 10 creates enough problems
>>>         that the
>>>         >>> upgrade is
>>>         >>> hardly worth the effort. A brand new computer with a clean
>>>         >>> installation of
>>>         >>> Windows 10 will give you a much cleaner (and more stable)
>>>         operating
>>>         >>> system.
>>>         >>> For around $500, you can get a respectable laptop
>>>         computer with a
>>>         >>> decent-sized keyboard and a good amount of memory and
>>>         disk storage.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> 2.         Update your screen reading or screen
>>>         enlargement program.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> It is essential that your screen reading or enlargement
>>>         software is
>>>         >>> current.
>>>         >>> Windows 10 has been around for a few years now, but it is
>>>         >>> continually being
>>>         >>> updated-with a major update coming about once every six
>>>         months. Screen
>>>         >>> reading and enlargement software has to be kept up to
>>>         date to deal
>>>         >>> with the
>>>         >>> sometimes significant changes which Microsoft continues
>>>         to introduce
>>>         >>> every
>>>         >>> time a major update is released. If you have allowed your
>>>         service
>>>         >>> maintenance agreement to lapse, you are likely going to
>>>         have to pay
>>>         >>> a few
>>>         >>> hundred dollars to bring your access technology up to date.
>>>         >>> Fortunately, for
>>>         >>> users of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, Freedom Scientific
>>>         now offers home
>>>         >>> annual licenses
>>>         >>>
>>>         
>>> <https://store.freedomscientific.com/collections/software-for-home>
>>>         .
>>>         >>> Instead of paying, say, $300 to bring your software up to
>>>         date, you
>>>         >>> can pay
>>>         >>> an annual fee of $90 (for JAWS), $80 (for ZoomText) or
>>>         $160 (for
>>>         >>> Fusion,
>>>         >>> which includes both JAWS and ZoomText) by acquiring the
>>>         appropriate
>>>         >>> home
>>>         >>> annual license from the Freedom Scientific eStore, 
>>> located at
>>>         >>> https://store.freedomscientific.com.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>> The good news for long-time users of Windows 7 is that
>>>         Windows 10
>>>         >>> continues
>>>         >>> to offer the same keyboard commands and Windows Desktop
>>>         which Windows 7
>>>         >>> users know. In other words, once you move to Windows 10,
>>>         you will
>>>         >>> hardly
>>>         >>> notice the difference between what is happening on your
>>>         new system
>>>         >>> and what
>>>         >>> used to happen on your old equipment-with the possible
>>>         exception that
>>>         >>> everything will seem to run a lot more quickly.
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
>>>         >>>
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>>>         Chaltain at Gmail
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>>     --     Christopher (CJ)
>>     Chaltain at Gmail
>>




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