[NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts of data

Mon Nov 30 00:06:13 UTC 2020

I can recommend my IndentNav add-on for NVDA. You'd have to switch to 
NVDA to use it though. It allows to navigate around indented source code 
more easily. I've worked quite a bit with nested spark SQL queries and 
IndentNav helps a great deal.

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/

On 11/27/2020 12:24 PM, Michael Walker via NFBCS wrote:
>
> Hi Tracy,
>
> What do you struggle with in subqueries?
>
> Thank you for the accessibility tips in your other email. How do you 
> handle inaccessible internal websites and applications? Inaccessible 
> internal websites is something I come across frequently. How do you 
> also handle the psychological aspects of this? When something is 
> inaccessible, do you ever feel that the issue prevents you from living 
> up to your fullest potential?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
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> *From: *Tracy Carcione via NFBCS <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, November 27, 2020 12:10 PM
> *To: *NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> *Cc: *Tracy Carcione <mailto:carcione at access.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts 
> of data
>
> Hi Michael.
>
> I used something like Learning SQL Server, and SQL in a Nutshell.  
> There were so many choices, it was hard to decide.  I also used some 
> handouts and exercises from a couple short courses I took.  And, in 
> the old days when we used to go into the office, if one of my 
> SQL-using co-workers wasn’t too busy, I’d ask him to look over my code 
> and make suggestions.  Or, because they know I’m still struggling with 
> subqueries, if they had some code with a nice example, they’d share it 
> with me.  Oh, the good old days!
>
> I use Jaws with both speech and braille. Best of both worlds.  I have 
> sometimes found it useful to turn on line numbers in the code editor.  
> Makes it much easier to find that “error in line 158”.  The process 
> for turning numbers on is a bit convoluted, but Google told me exactly 
> how to do it.
>
> There are probably other people here with more helpful hints.
>
> Tracy
>
> From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Walker via NFBCS
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:09 PM
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> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
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> Cc: Michael Walker
>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts of 
> data
>
> Hi Tracy,
>
> What books do you use for SQL?
>
> O’Reilly has worked well for me so far.
>
> Also, what screen reader do you use, when writing database queries? 
> How do you have it configured? Do you use speech or Braille?
>
> I have JAWS set to speak all punctuation. Is there anything else you 
> can think of that might be beneficial to me, that I do not already know?
>
> When I am navigating with JAWS or any screen reader, one concern of 
> mine is how to navigate more quickly, and process large amounts of 
> code more quickly and efficiently.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mike
>
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> From: Tracy Carcione via NFBCS <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 8:15 AM
>
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <mailto:carcione at access.net>
>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts of 
> data
>
> Hi Michael.
>
> I am a Bookshare member, and so I used Bookshare to study SQL.  They 
> have an agreement with OReilly, so have all those books, + others.  
> But, if you already have access to OReilly through work, you could try 
> that, and then, if it's not satisfactory, get a membership to Bookshare.
>
> Tracy
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Walker via NFBCS
>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:48 PM
>
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>
> Cc: Michael Walker
>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts of 
> data
>
> What’s your opinion of using book share versus O’Reilly and other 
> online websites? I don’t currently have access to book share. I do, 
> however, have access to O’Reilly through my employer.
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Steve Jacobson via NFBCS 
> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Michael,
>
> >
>
> > I don't know those specific languages, but I have found that the 
> best way to learn any programming language is to figure out something 
> you would like a program to do for you and then write it in the 
> language you are learning.  It doesn't have to be a complicated task.  
> Once you get started with the basics of any programming language, it 
> is easier to add on to that basic knowledge.  Getting that first basic 
> knowledge is often the most difficult step.
>
> >
>
> > Check for books on BookShare for the language you want to learn as 
> well.  Even though the examples in Bookshare texts often have lost 
> their formatting, they can still be helpful.
>
> >
>
> > Best regards,
>
> >
>
> > Steve Jacobson
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Walker 
> via NFBCS
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 6:07 PM
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> > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>
> > Cc: Michael Walker <michael.walker199014 at gmail.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts 
> of data
>
> >
>
> > Hi Steve,
>
> >
>
> > I typically keep the indentation in my head, as you suggested. I am 
> using SQL Server Management Studio as my editor.
>
> >
>
> > Where I have trouble is keeping in my head what is going on, when we 
> have a lot of embedded selects in aware clause.
>
> >
>
> > Also, what tips would you recommend for learning react and asp.net?
>
> >
>
> > Thank you,
>
> > Mike
>
> >
>
> >> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Steve Jacobson via NFBCS 
> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Tracy and Michael,
>
> >>
>
> >> Yes, I have also used comments to clearly mark out levels of code.  
> We need to keep in mind that this can be a problem for sighted 
> programmers as well.  Often, sighted programmers indent various levels 
> of code to make the level more apparent, but this is still no 
> guarantee that the amount of indentation represents the true level of 
> code, except perhaps in python.
>
> >>
>
> >> If one uses code or SQL that somebody else has written, it is worth 
> learning their coding style.  Sometimes, although not always, one can 
> take advantage of the amount of indentation.  This can depend on the 
> editor being used, though.  Even NotePad will now give you the line in 
> the file and the column where your cursor is located, and you can read 
> the status line in JAWS with INSERT and Page Down.  Putting your caret 
> on the first character of the line and then getting the column 
> position will tell you how far it is indented fairly quickly.
>
> >>
>
> >> Frankly, though, I've been stung enough in my life where there were 
> formatting errors that I just keep track of the level in my head as I 
> work through code.  You only need to have one case of making decisions 
> based upon the formatting which turns out to be wrong to cost you more 
> time than you have saved.  However, adding comments to show the level 
> can force you to think about and understand the level you are in.
>
> >>
>
> >> I think Tracy might well be more of an SQL expert than I am from 
> the sounds of it, but imbedded selects, for example, serve slightly 
> different purposes if they make up an item being selected as opposed 
> to defining a table that is to be joined.  They can also occur within 
> a WHERE clause as well.  I'm not likely telling you anything new, but 
> this means you have to develop an awareness of where a lower level of 
> SQL is occurring within the structure of the SQL.  This means that 
> having an awareness of where you are within a query is really 
> important and there may not be shortcuts all of the time.  Also, you 
> will likely learn patterns of which situations will likely result in 
> certain query structures.
>
> >>
>
> >> If you are able to place comments in a query to help you identify 
> the level, think of a pattern of characters that will make your 
> comments identifiable.  If you do that and you use an editor that 
> supports it, you can search back for the previous comment to quickly 
> see within which group you are in.  Again, though, the danger in doing 
> this is that you might fool yourself into thinking you are at a given 
> level when you are really at a lower level and forgot to insert the 
> necessary comment to indicate that.
>
> >>
>
> >> Good luck.
>
> >>
>
> >> Best regards,
>
> >>
>
> >> Steve Jacobson
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione 
> via NFBCS
>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:28 AM
>
> >> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>
> >> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>
> >> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts 
> of data
>
> >>
>
> >> Hi Michael.
>
> >> I'm still pretty new to SQL, and subqueries are still hard for me.  
> But, in other languages, when I have a complicated set of statements, 
> I put in comments to say what each subsection is doing.  Maybe other 
> people have more elegant solutions, but comments always help me.
>
> >> Tracy
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Walker via NFBCS
>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 10:05 PM
>
> >> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
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> >> Cc: Michael Walker
>
> >> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts 
> of data
>
> >>
>
> >> Another question: how do you deal with sub queries? I am not 
> talking about just one select statement within another, but suppose 
> you have several levels of nesting deep, like a select within a select 
> within a select. If you are a jaws user, how do you work with that, 
> without getting confused? I have trouble, when the statements are 
> several levels of nesting deep.
>
> >>
>
> >>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Michael Walker 
> <michael.walker199014 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> 
>
> >>> That sounds nifty. I will have to try that, when I get back to 
> work. I have been fighting with the grid a lot. Your method sounds a 
> lot nicer to work with.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From: Tracy Carcione via NFBCS
>
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:38 PM
>
> >>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>
> >>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large 
> amounts of data
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Hi Michael.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> The command on my version of SQL Server Studio is 
> control-shift-f.  It can also be found by hitting alt to brin up 
> menus, right-arrow to Query, down-arrow to Results, enter to bring up 
> the submenu, then arrow up and down to find the option wanted.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I use results to file for testing, then change it back to grid for 
> the real run so I can save to Excel.  The output from the file option 
> is a .txt file.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Tracy
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Walker via NFBCS
>
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 1:29 PM
>
> >>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>
> >>> Cc: Michael Walker
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large 
> amounts of data
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Thank you, Tracy. How do you set SQL output to a file, in the 
> method you are referring to?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Also, being new to this mailing list, does the NFB in Computer 
> Science ever host virtual events over Zoom? If so, when is the next 
> one? What topics are discussed?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Thank you,
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Mike
>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> From: Tracy Carcione via NFBCS <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
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> >>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 6:54 AM
>
> >>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
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> >>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <mailto:carcione at access.net>
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large 
> amounts of data
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I usually know roughly what table I’m after, but I have paged down 
> through long lists before, looking at what’s there.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Also, SQL has a name sysobjects, and another syscolumns, and you 
> can use those to write a query to see what’s around.  Don’t select all 
> columns from all tables, though!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I found this query to get some column names from a particular 
> table, which perhaps you can modify:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Select a.name as table_name
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> ,b.name as col_name
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From sysobjects a,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Syscolumns b
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Where a.ID = b.ID
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> And b.name like ‘%depar%’
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I like to set SQL output to a file when I’m testing or looking at 
> something.  For me, it’s much easier to look at a file than to try to 
> look at the grid in SQL.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> HTH.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Tracy
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
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> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Walker, 
> Michael E. (UMSL-Student) via NFBCS
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 2:16 AM
>
> >>>
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> >>> To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org
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> >>>
>
> >>> Cc: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Subject: [NFBCS] SQL Server Management Studio and large amounts of 
> data
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Hi,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> If you are using a screen reader, how do you most efficiently 
> navigate large amounts of data? Suppose your database has over six 
> hundred tables. One cannot use first letter navigation easily, since 
> many table names begin with DBO. I might be browsing through the long 
> list of tables, to get an idea of what the table name is, to write a 
> query.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Thank you,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Mike
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
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> >>>
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