[NFBCS] PDF accessibility is crazy

Mon Jul 12 17:51:21 UTC 2021

Thanks Greg for the explanation.  At least now I understand why PDF doesn't
work so well.  However, I'm doing things where everyone else is sighted, and
they don't seem to have any problem with PDF, and show no inclination to
change to some other format.  After all, it works fine for them.

Mick, thanks for your offer.  The PDF schedule is working acceptably with my
work laptop, which is the nicest machine I have, so I can just use that to
do my thing. But I appreciate the offer.
Tracy

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This problem dates back to trying to take a format which was designed to
preserve the visual printed page and making that format accessible The
better solution would be to use formats which are accessible from the start
such as ePub or HTML. PDF by it;s very nature will never be as accessible
and will always be hard to get it to be so.

Greg

> On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steve Jacobson via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Greg,
> 
> Although I don't disagree with what you said at all, I agree with Tracy
that the results we get for the same document can vary seemingly with the
phase of the moon.  I can open a document with adobe and it seems to get
stuck. I can close Adobe and open it again, and the document reads
perfectly.  Sometimes Microsoft Edge seems to handle a document fine but
Adobe doesn't.  Getting Adobe Acrobat to read directly from an internet link
seems very inconsistent regardless of what I do with settings.  Even if some
of the issue is accessibility, I think there should be more consistency even
if the results are not 100% accessible. Often, I can deal with a PDF
document that may not be completely accessible if I can get a good rendering
of the document.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Greg Kearney via NFBCS
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 10:20 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] PDF accessibility is crazy
> 
> The real problem here is that making properly accessible PDF files is very
dificult and few know how it is done.
> 
> Greg
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> I'm taking a series of workshops this week, and all the access links are
in
>> a PDF.  I opened the document on 3 different machines in 4 different
ways,
>> but it only really worked on one.  
>> 
>> On my laptop, I tried opening it with Firefox andChrome, and neither
worked
>> well enough to use.
>> 
>> In Adobe BC, I tried opening it on my old Windows 7 PC, and that sort of
>> worked, but not great. But it does work OK on my Windows10 laptop with
Adobe
>> BC, thank Goodness.
>> 
>> Why does accessibility have to be so complicated!
>> 
>> I tried to figure out if my 2 machines are running different versions of
>> Adobe BC, but can't find where it keeps the version#.
>> 
>> If I download whatever Adobe I find onto my other laptop, is it likely to
>> work, or is it only certain versions that work well?  The version that
works
>> is on my work laptop, so may be a pro version.
>> 
>> Really, it's insane to have to try so many things to find the one that is
>> accessible.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
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