[NFBCS] PDF accessibility is crazy

Greg Kearney gkearney at gmail.com
Mon Jul 12 18:35:23 UTC 2021 

Well of course sighted people, other than dyslexics, will not have a problem with PDF. It was a format designed for them.

Greg 

> On Jul 12, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Greg for the explanation.  At least now I understand why PDF doesn't
> work so well.  However, I'm doing things where everyone else is sighted, and
> they don't seem to have any problem with PDF, and show no inclination to
> change to some other format.  After all, it works fine for them.
> 
> Mick, thanks for your offer.  The PDF schedule is working acceptably with my
> work laptop, which is the nicest machine I have, so I can just use that to
> do my thing. But I appreciate the offer.
> Tracy
> 
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> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] PDF accessibility is crazy
> 
> This problem dates back to trying to take a format which was designed to
> preserve the visual printed page and making that format accessible The
> better solution would be to use formats which are accessible from the start
> such as ePub or HTML. PDF by it;s very nature will never be as accessible
> and will always be hard to get it to be so.
> 
> Greg
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steve Jacobson via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Greg,
>> 
>> Although I don't disagree with what you said at all, I agree with Tracy
> that the results we get for the same document can vary seemingly with the
> phase of the moon.  I can open a document with adobe and it seems to get
> stuck. I can close Adobe and open it again, and the document reads
> perfectly.  Sometimes Microsoft Edge seems to handle a document fine but
> Adobe doesn't.  Getting Adobe Acrobat to read directly from an internet link
> seems very inconsistent regardless of what I do with settings.  Even if some
> of the issue is accessibility, I think there should be more consistency even
> if the results are not 100% accessible. Often, I can deal with a PDF
> document that may not be completely accessible if I can get a good rendering
> of the document.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Steve Jacobson
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Greg Kearney via NFBCS
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 10:20 AM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Greg Kearney <gkearney at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] PDF accessibility is crazy
>> 
>> The real problem here is that making properly accessible PDF files is very
> dificult and few know how it is done.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm taking a series of workshops this week, and all the access links are
> in
>>> a PDF.  I opened the document on 3 different machines in 4 different
> ways,
>>> but it only really worked on one.  
>>> 
>>> On my laptop, I tried opening it with Firefox andChrome, and neither
> worked
>>> well enough to use.
>>> 
>>> In Adobe BC, I tried opening it on my old Windows 7 PC, and that sort of
>>> worked, but not great. But it does work OK on my Windows10 laptop with
> Adobe
>>> BC, thank Goodness.
>>> 
>>> Why does accessibility have to be so complicated!
>>> 
>>> I tried to figure out if my 2 machines are running different versions of
>>> Adobe BC, but can't find where it keeps the version#.
>>> 
>>> If I download whatever Adobe I find onto my other laptop, is it likely to
>>> work, or is it only certain versions that work well?  The version that
> works
>>> is on my work laptop, so may be a pro version.
>>> 
>>> Really, it's insane to have to try so many things to find the one that is
>>> accessible.
>>> 
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
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