[NFBCS] PDF in Adobe BC not displaying with accessibility

Mon Sep 27 13:26:43 UTC 2021

Hi Sanchit.
Have you tried Bookshare?  Or Learning Ally?  It's a long shot, but both
have a lot of textbooks.  They won't have the diagrams, but should have the
formulas.
Tracy

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Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:34 AM
To: Louis Maher; NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Cc: sanchit; Steve Jacobson; carcione at access.net
Subject: Re: [NFBCS] PDF in Adobe BC not displaying with accessibility

ý

Louis ,

    Is it possible to ask the author to send it in another format?

Nope, I tried contacting my school administration regarding this issue 
but they say publisher won't provide its source code because proprietary 
code used in their files and these are very old books so they've lost 
track of converting these files into other formats such as "epub" or 
"HTML" meanwhile I also tried InftyReader but I feel there is lag and 
somebody have to invest to correct these files using InftyLayoutViewer 
so no go and course instructors continue to insist on only using these 
books for extensive learning so this is all stagnating

Thank you

Sanchit

Author: sanchits-linux-sps

Created: 2021-09-27 Mon 18:03

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On 9/27/2021 4:01 PM, Louis Maher wrote:
> ý
>
> Hello Sanchit,
>
> Is it possible to ask the author to send it in another format?
>
> Regards
>
> Louis Maher
>
> Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> E-mail: ljmaher03 at outlook.com
>
> *From:*sanchit <sanchitjghule at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2021 2:14 AM
> *To:* Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>; NFB in Computer Science 
> Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> *Cc:* Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>; carcione at access.net
> *Subject:* Re: [NFBCS] PDF in Adobe BC not displaying with accessibility
>
> Louis ,
>
> The PDF file itself is not completely image file though it might have 
> some figures images embedded inside PDF file as my sighted assistance 
> tells me the PDF file is entirely written in \LaTeX and/or \TeX so for 
> him it is completely accessible but not for me and my Intuitions tells 
> me it might be problem with PDF reading software as it is not able to 
> render accessibility standards for Blind/VisuallyImpaired and as it is 
> correctly rendered by my screenreader as "unknown" "unknown" "unknown" 
> dialogue message so I wish the software should be more robust
>
> Thank you
>
> Sanchit
>
> Author: sanchits-linux-sps
>
> Created: 2021-09-27 Mon 12:42
>
> Validate 
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> On 9/26/2021 11:36 PM, Louis Maher wrote:
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>     Hello Sanchit,
>
>     You may have an image file.  The Acrobat reader can only read
character-based material for the blind.
>
>     If it is a character-based mathematics file, it would have to be
tagged by its author for mathematics.  Almost no one knows how to place
mathematical tags in a pdf file.
>
>     Most OCR products can not read mathematics.
>
>     One OCR program which can read mathematics is the Infty Reader
>
>     (https://www.sciaccess.net/en/InftyReader/index.html
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>     I have heard that there are other OCR math-capable programs.
>
>     Your screen reader can't translate diagrams.  That will require
sighted-help with a graphical printer.
>
>     Regards
>
>     Louis Maher
>
>     Phone: 713-444-7838
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>     -----Original Message-----
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>     Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 11:54 AM
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>     Cc: sanchit<sanchitjghule at gmail.com>
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>     Subject: Re: [NFBCS] PDF in Adobe BC not displaying with accessibility
>
>     ý
>
>     Hi
>
>     I've also encountered similar problem on latest Adobe Acrobat DC when
I open PDF File using my screenreader it says <filename>.pdf - Adobe Acrobat
Pro DC (32-bit) unknown Content Preparation Progress dialog Please wait
while the document is being prepared for reading.
>
>     Processing page 7 of 25
 progress bar 28% 28 percent
>
>     40 percent
>
>     52 percent
>
>     64 percent
>
>     76 percent
>
>     88 percent
>
>     100 percent
>
>     unknown
>
>     <filename>.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Pro DC (32-bit) unknown unknown unknown
>
>     And it is not reading outloud from PDF file what I only know is the
PDF contains mathematical theorems proofs equations formulas diagrams charts
tables graphs and mathematical content etc etc I tried Virtual cursor as
well as scanning through OCR software also and same results not sure why
Adobe Acrobat DC is not able to process the PDF documents though my sighted
assistance told me that PDF is very pretty looking with fonts stylings and
beautiful diagrams
>
>     Any help ill be highly appreciated
>
>     Thanks in advance
>
>     Sanchit
>
>     Author: sanchits-linux-sps
>
>     Created: 2021-09-26 Sun 22:22
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>     On 9/26/2021 8:25 PM, Steve Jacobson via NFBCS wrote:
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>         Tracy,
>
>         I have had a similar problem lately but have found if I close
Acrobat DC and reopen it, it often returns to the normal behavior.  This is
frustrating, but I pass that on in case it helps.  Sometimes, if a document
appears to have loaded but is plank, I have also had success by turning the
JAWS Virtual cursor off and then on using INSERT and Z.
>
>         Louis's approach of accessing the accessibility menu through the
menu system might also work, but some times I find myself in some kind of
window with multiple PDF files and such, which is why I closed and
restarted.
>
>         Best regards,
>
>         Steve Jacobson
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>         Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 8:02 AM
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>         Cc: Tracy Carcione<carcione at access.net>
<mailto:carcione at access.net>
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>         Subject: [NFBCS] PDF in Adobe BC not displaying with accessibility
>
>         As of a couple weeks ago, PDF files in Adobe DC (BC?), stopped
displaying.
>
>         It stopped asking me what order I want to display the file in for
>
>         accessibility, and it doesn't show me the text, though, when I
save
>
>         the file as text, it's fine.
>
>         How can I get it to go back to asking me how I want the doc
displayed?
>
>         Where do I mark that I want accessibility?
>
>         I am running Windows7 on this machine, and I don't really want to
>
>         re-download Adobe if I can help it.
>
>         Thanks.
>
>         Tracy
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