[NFBCS] Jumping lines in terminal emulation

Mon Aug 8 16:51:38 UTC 2022

Tracy,

I see Curtis has already mentioned this and you have responded, but make sure that if your terminal emulator as a cursor shape and a curser blink rate that the options are set the same as they are on the installation that works.  Make sure you don't have any options turned on in your terminal emulator that underlines or highlights the entire line or column containing the cursur.  Make sure that the window is maximized.  Turn off any on-screen keyboards or options that convert text strings like PF3/PF15 to action areas or "hot spots" that can be clicked to execute.  I have no way of knowing what your emulator might call these areas, but they can theoretically confuse JAWS because sometimes the appearance within those area changes.  If you have an option that moves your mouse pointer with your 3270 cursor. Try turning that on if it is off or turning is off if it is on.  

If all of these emulator options are set so that both installations have the same settings, go to the settings center and check the Caret and Cursor options.  Depending upon your version of JAWS, you might find out a Caret Time-out value, and making sure they are the same in both installations might help, or just try increasing the value on the computer where you are having a problem.  It looks like this parameter may have been dropped in later versions of JAWS, though, so this parameter may not be present.  

Checking the horizontal and vertical caret definitions is also worth a look.  It is possible, though, that JAWS does not use these values with your current emulator but I don't know how you can tell whether JAWS uses these settings or not, so it probably makes sense to at least check these settings.  You may need to load the JAWS settings for your emulator if you have created separate settings.

Tracy, there are just so many things that could have an effect and those of us replying may not think of something that turns out to be very obvious.  This might be a case where you need to spend some time with Freedom Scientific technical support.  They may need to connect remotely to figure out what is happening.  They may be able to see some kind of screen behavior that might be responsible for this.  I hope you can get to the bottom of this soon.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Jumping lines in terminal emulation

I looked at my other session, and nothing looked different.  
This jumping is a real problem.  I can't figure out where I am, even with the speech.  It seems like it's everything that's jumping, not just the braille display.  If I use the Jaws key to check what character it's on, that seems to be randomly changing as well.
It doesn't happen on every line, but, once it starts happening, it doesn't stop for a bit.  Editing a line of code turns from a simple operation into something that takes a couple minutes trying to figure out where I am.
Tracy

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Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Jumping braille display in terminal emulation

Hi Tracy,

I'm familiar with Hummingbird. That's what my co-workers used. I think it's also called Host Explorer but can't remember. I never used it because it displayed all text as highlighted even when I tried modifying the JAWS mainframe script to ignore dots 7 and 8. The Alva is an old device and I'm surprised JAWS still support it. Let me know if you have more questions.

Thanks,
Dan

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Hi Dan.  
I'm using Jaws, an Alva 640, and an emulator called Hostex or Hummingbird.
For some reason it has 2 names. 
All the same things work fine on a different mainframe, so, next time I get in, I'm going to look at my profile settings on the one that's good and compare to the one that's not so good.  If they're the same, it's back to the drawing board.  
Tracy

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Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Jumping braille display in terminal emulation

Hi Tracy,

I was a mainframe programmer for 26 years and used JAWS with various Braille displays. I can confirm what you reported. I have also seen instances where JAWS ignored indentation. Don't expect any help from Freedom Scientific they tried claiming that because the scripts were written by someone else Freedom Scientific wasn't responsible for supporting them. I found this bogus considering that the scripts are installed with JAWS. Ever since I have had a bad taste in my mouth about Freedom Scientific and things have gotten worse when I dealt with Braille hardware repairs.

If you can provide me more information, I will try and help. What version of the mainframe operating system are you using? Which emulator and version?
What screenreaders and Braille displays are you using? How are you entering text from the Braille display or a QWERTY keyboard? I hope this helps.

Thanks,
Dan

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Subject: [NFBCS] Jumping braille display in terminal emulation

I'm editing a program within my terminal emulator, and, when I start typing on a line, my braille display starts flipping quickly back and forth, too quick to read or route the cursor.  It's quite distracting, and it makes it hard to check where I am if I want to skip over a bunch of spaces to the next spot I want on the line. 

I'm using the same emulator I've been using, but I'm in a different mainframe than the one I know and love.  

It might be a TSO setting, but I'm not sure.  Any ideas?  Any more old rascals like me, still programming on the mainframe?

Tracy

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