[Nfbf-l] Amtrak

Mon Sep 13 02:16:22 UTC 2010

Holly, I for one am glad you shared your experience. I can imagine it was 
very degrading to you to be followed like that, especially when you assured 
them you could get the food yourself. Sometimes this patronizing attitude of 
others really gets old!
Sherri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Amtrak

I DID NOT ask for assistance and when it was offered I said, "NO thank
you," I've got it, no problems." When I walked to the food car, the
employee that was following me stated that he had to, its company
policy. So, I asked about the colored tags and well, anyone who is
blind or has a cane is to have one of the different colored tags and
is to be assisted from one car to another, "just in case you make the
wrong turn and open the outside door instead of the next car door." I
explained that blind people are not stupid and we are more then able
in getting from one car to another without openning the wrong door.
Anyway, I am over this whole conversation. I was frustrated when it
happened and I get that way every time I think about it. I felt like I
was a criminal being followed from one car to another and yet another.
I walk through three cars to get a snack for Jacy. I suggested that
the employee go ahead of me if he really thought I was going to make
the wrong turn. Then I suggested that he just get the food for me
since I might make the wrong purchase, or pay the wrong amount, or
maybe even spill the purchase on my way back to my seat. Okay, I may
have went a little far, but once I got to the food car, he decided
that another passenger needed him more then he needed to follow me
around.

This is the last post I will make on this topic.
Forgive me for sharing my experiences.
Holly

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't know why some other's tags did not have the "Keep in Sight" 
> phrase.
> Maybe they just did not have it displayed or maybe it had something to do
> with their destination. This is a very standard thing, though. If you go 
> to
> a Google search on "Keep in Sight" you will come to someone's Flickr.com
> page with vacation photos and a "Keep in Sight" tag hanging down from the
> luggage rack. I do think that the color of the tags is interesting. 
> Digging
> a bit on Google, though, it appears that they do use large green tags for
> people who request special attention.
>
> As to why they followed you to the dining car... All I can say is they 
> might
> have just been going the same way -- there are only two directions on a
> train, with and against the direction of motion. Maybe they were hungry?
>
> Dan
>
>
> “New ideas pass through three periods: (1) It can't be done. (2) It 
> probably
> can be done, but it's not worth doing. (3) I knew it was a good idea all
> along!”
> — Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of
>> Holly
>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:29 PM
>> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Amtrak
>>
>> Dan, why don't the white tags they use of the other people's seat say
>> "Keep in Sight"? And why did they follow me to the food car?
>> Holly
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I can clear up some of this. The "Keep in Sight" part of the slip is no
> big
>> > deal. It just means keep this card or slip showing or in the sight of
> the
>> > conductor so he or she will know where the passenger in that seat is
>> > supposed to get off. It has nothing to do with keeping the passenger in
>> > sight, following him / her around, etc.. Patti Johnson and others have
> shown
>> > me slips with "Keep in Sight" on them that date back as far as the
>> > Eisenhower administration. Then again, nothing to do with blindness. We
> have
>> > to pick our battles.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> >
>> > “New ideas pass through three periods: (1) It can't be done. (2) It
> probably
>> > can be done, but it's not worth doing. (3) I knew it was a good idea 
>> > all
>> > along!”
>> > — Arthur C. Clarke
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf Of
>> >> Holly
>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:58 AM
>> >> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Amtrak
>> >>
>> >> We all have and make our own choices about what we feel is right for
>> >> us. Amtrak's policy, if I understand it correctly, is to place this
>> >> tag about the seat to assist if there is an accident or emergency.
>> >> However, they don't place "Keep In Sight" tags over the seats of the
>> >> elderly or children. Even the lady across the isle from me today, she
>> >> used a wheelchair to get on the train, transfered out of it and she
>> >> had a white tag above her seat. Okay, some one will be thinking that
>> >> the tags indicated the destination. however, that lady and I both got
>> >> off at the same stop, Deland. Now, the ride this morning to Orlando, I
>> >> had a white tag just like everyone else. So, I agree, we all have
>> >> different experiences. Hell, I had two different experiences in one
>> >> day.
>> >>
>> >> I am not judging anyone for the level of assistance they might need.
>> >> There are times that I don't want or need accommodations and should
>> >> not be forced to take them. That is all I am saying. I love riding
>> >> Amtrak, it is cheaper and quicker, with more space then Greyhound. I
>> >> just don't like how they label me.
>> >> Holly
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:12 PM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> > I agree Sherri. Still somehow I have always found commendible 
>> >> > service
> in
>> >> > Orlando airport. Atlanta has been mixed but more towards bad side.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
>> >> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:19 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Amtrak
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Tara,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The way we are treated at air ports is kind of person-dependent. It
>> > just
>> >> >> depends on the customer service agent you get! It's ridiculous that
>> > they
>> >> >> said that you weren't even flying that day! How absurd. I'd go
> forward
>> > with
>> >> >> your action. Sorry about the loss of your Stream.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sherri
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TaraPrakash"
>> > <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>> >> >> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:55 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Amtrak
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Holly, people say we are living in 21st century. I am not sure 
>> >> >>> what
>> >> >>> century they are in.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It's not related but I have felt disgustingly helpless on air tran
>> >> >>> flights as I am traveling frequently between Atlanta and Orlando.
>> >> >>> Interestingly I nevver had issues with Air tran staff based in
> Orlando
>> > but
>> >> >>> the Atlanta people take me as a liability. Once I had to wait for
> 35
>> > minutes
>> >> >>> before somebody managed to come to take me to the baggage claim
> area
>> >> from
>> >> >>> the aircraft. The other day one guy boarded me in the train and
> left
>> > saying
>> >> >>> this train will leave you there. While leaving he told a passenger
> to
>> > tell
>> >> >>> me when the the train reached baggage claim.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> While departing from Atlanta, one evening, the gate agent said she
>> > will
>> >> >>> help me boarding. She finished boarding and started announcing for
> my
>> > name.
>> >> >>> When I reached her and reminded that she herself told me to wait
> she
>> > said we
>> >> >>> are fine and the plane is still there.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On my most recent flight, I lost my Victor Reader Stream. When I
>> > called
>> >> >>> them to report the loss I was told that I didn't actually fly that
>> > day. The
>> >> >>> gate agent had put a "no show" for me. So before I faxed my
> boarding
>> > pass
>> >> >>> they would not believe I flew that evening. If there was a plane
>> > crash, I
>> >> >>> wouldn't have officially died, but wouldn't be living either.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It's not funny. I am contemplating a legal action. I wish I had
> some
>> >> >>> lawyer to take care of this this sucking attitude. I so much want
> to
>> >> >>> misspell 'sucking'.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Listserv" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:21 PM
>> >> >>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Amtrak
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I am on Amtrak right now. The employees put a white tag over my
>> >> >>>> neighbors
>> >> >>>> seat but a blue on over my seat. It states where I am getting off
>> > the
>> >> >>>> train
>> >> >>>> on one side. On the other side it states KEEP IN SIGHT, SEAT
> CHECK
>> >> >>>> /DEST.
>> >> >>>> The white label states seat check /dest, but does not state keep
> in
>> >> >>>> sight.
>> >> >>>> This morning I had a white label over my seat. This afternoon, I
> have
>> > a
>> >> >>>> blue
>> >> >>>> on.
>> >> >>>> I feel like a child, being followed to the bathroom, the other
> cars,
>> >> >>>> etc.
>> >> >>>> I was not given a choice in the color of label that is over my
> seat.
>> > I
>> >> >>>> think
>> >> >>>> I can say discrimination.
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