[Nfbf-l] State School

Thu Apr 7 11:12:40 UTC 2011

Did you read my messege? My meeting with the Florida division of blind 
services went great, and I am satisfied with my councilor! RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] State School


> Sherri and Mark, you two are saying the very same things that the sighted
> people do about being different! How can we change the minds of the 
> sighted
> about us when we in fact keep talking about being "them against us"
> mentality?
> I have been reading your comments and it sounds like you both are bitter
> about the facts that are out there just like some in the sighted community
> that are bitter about us that we talk against so much! Until we start
> talking like  we are all the same capable people, we will remain 
> seperated,
> this much I do know! From a once sighted, now blind individual, KH
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] State School
>
>
> It just bothers me to a huge degree to hear formerly sighted people say 
> how
> much more together they have figured out blindness and blind people and 
> how
> we should behave or act because they were formerly sighted. There are 
> blind
> people out there achieving great things who have never been sighted. Maybe
> I'm just being over-sensitive, but I'm really tired of the superior 
> attitude
> of sighted people who are now blind thinking they have it over all us 
> people
> who have never been sighted.
>
> Sherri
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] State School
>
>
>> You got it, Sherri.  From another socially immature, inept school for the
>> blind educated kid, this defense is much needed.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Welcome to my planet
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] State School
>>
>>
>>> Bravo Mark! Right on! Thank you for defending us poor. socially inept,
>>> immature, incapable School for the Blind educated people. I have not had
>>> time to look at e-mails, so I am playing catch-up.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] State School
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure we can stereotype people who attended schools for the 
>>>> blind
>>>> and type cast them like that.  I attended a school for the blind and I
>>>> lived with a friend who was mainstreamed.  Guess what, I think she was
>>>> much less likely to want to join the real world, at times I got the
>>>> sense she wanted to live in a "blind ghetto."  Public schooling can be
>>>> brutal on a lot of kids, and if you are at all different, forget it.  I
>>>> also had a boss once who was also blind and we worked together in the
>>>> early eighties. He thought that mainstreaming sounded good on paper, 
>>>> but
>>>> he had had a chance to observe and talk to some of these people who 
>>>> were
>>>> mainstreamed, and was disappointed.  He said they came across as
>>>> cynical. apathetic, etc.  So, just one man's opinion, it appears to be
>>>> different for different children. Also, I would say that the NFB
>>>> influence, as shown by centers like Louisiana and Colorado, seems to 
>>>> try
>>>> to emphasize that we cannot expect the world to provide us extra
>>>> privileges that we need to adapt to it.  So I don't know what happened
>>>> at Daytona, and anyone may enlighten me, but I doubt it was the
>>>> influence of the NFB that caused it to go downhill.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Welcome to my planet
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] State School
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joann, I so agree with you on this topic! I, too, have seen many blind
>>>>> individuals that act so childlike compared to others and have wondered
>>>>> why.
>>>>> Why some are always figitting, and others are not. I was told it was
>>>>> due to
>>>>> their parents allowing them to do what they wished without letting 
>>>>> them
>>>>> know it is not polite to rock or figit all the time in their 
>>>>> seets,etc.
>>>>> I
>>>>> was also told it was because they were placed in their playpens for
>>>>> hours to
>>>>> keep them safe and they would get extremely bored so they developed
>>>>> habits
>>>>> that were very distracting to others in a room and such. These
>>>>> behaviors are
>>>>> what the majority of our population (sighted) see and assume we are 
>>>>> not
>>>>> prepared to be on an even  keel with them and until we try and feel
>>>>> comfortable about talking about these foibles with some of usletting
>>>>> them
>>>>> know this behavior is not acceptable and quite rude as well, we will
>>>>> have
>>>>> diminished and negative attention brought our way. Just one man's
>>>>> opinion is
>>>>> all! Kirk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Joanne" <jdking09 at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] State School
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know first hand what a shambles the Daytona School became after it
>>>>> was
>>>>> influenced by NFB's  theory of teaching independents to the blind. 
>>>>> If
>>>>> I
>>>>> were
>>>>> in charge  I would first have every student believe in their dignity.
>>>>> Then
>>>>> I
>>>>> would teach them to believe  that they can achieve anything if they
>>>>> really
>>>>> want
>>>>> to.  and the other important thing is to join society without thinking
>>>>> that
>>>>> they
>>>>> need  special treatment.  You can't burn the candle at both ends.  And
>>>>> that
>>>>> is
>>>>> what they had done at the center.  That's why the school is not on
>>>>> track.
>>>>> The people that I have known before NFB's influence had a better 
>>>>> chance
>>>>> of
>>>>> learning all this.  After that forget it.
>>>>> I personally grew up in public and private schools and learned my own
>>>>> independents because I wanted to.  I agree that one can always pick 
>>>>> out
>>>>> a
>>>>> blind
>>>>> student who was educated at a school for the blind including one like
>>>>> Daytona.
>>>>> They act like a child..
>>>>> So whether it is NFB or ACB or anything else.  A blind person can be 
>>>>> so
>>>>> called
>>>>> Normal if treated like they are normal.
>>>>> We are a very small percentage of society.  Therefore, it is us, who
>>>>> needs
>>>>> to
>>>>> comply with the majority.
>>>>> Please pass this on to the NFB and the ACB and any other Organizations
>>>>> who
>>>>> feel
>>>>> that special privileges is the only way to go.  I guess what I am
>>>>> trying to
>>>>> say
>>>>> is stop degrading us.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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