[Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max

Wed Jun 27 22:12:58 UTC 2012

Here's the information you need to get your ID. I've already got mine! Just 
because we're blind doesn't mean we should not have to follow the rules!
www.flhsmv.gov/RealID.htm
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <valkemadenise at aol.com>
To: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max


>I agree this is sad but I believe the sighted people wanting a driver's 
>license or Florida identification card have to provide the same 
>documentation that was asked. Also, once beyond a certain age, the 
>identification card doesn't expire.
>
> I called to set an appointment and asked what to bring including payment 
> method prior to going. This helped with wait time in Miami-Dade anyway.
>
> We could see about having notification mailed out 2 months ahead if this 
> is done for driver's license. Is this done for all Florids?
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taraprakash at gmail.com
> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:10 am
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>
>
>
> It's really sad. Who would compensate if you did or if you had to take 
> leave
> from work for this?
> We have two lessons to learn from this experience:
>
> 1. Do not let your state id expire.
>
> 2. Be more sympathetic towards people without documents. Not having them
> should not automatically make you illegal.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patricia A. Lipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "NFBF List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:04 AM
> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wanted to write and share my wonderful experience I had recently with
>> the Department of Motor Vehicles.  Talk about bureaucracy, this is
>> bureaucracy to the Max as far as I'm concerned.  It's a tad long, and I
>> apologize for that, but I didn't want to leave out too many details so 
>> you
>> could get the complete picture of exactly what happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> It all started when my state ID expired.  Warning:   If you do anything 
>> at
>> all, do not let your ID expire..  It will be one of the biggest mistake
>> you make!!
>>
>>
>>
>> First trip to the DMV
>>
>> I was told by a friend, even though my ID expired, just take it to the
>> DMV, and they will just issue me a new one.     Wrong!
>>
>>
>>
>> Since there is a two hour turn around time with my Parra transit, a very
>> kind lady from my church offered to take me to the DMV so I wouldn't have
>> to wait so long for my return trip.
>>
>>
>>
>> I took my expired ID, as my friend suggested, which of course had my
>> picture on it, and after standing in line for about 30 minutes, was told
>> it could not be accepted because it was expired.  I then offered another
>> ID with a picture of my service animal and myself on it, but they still
>> wouldn't budge.  They told me I needed to come back with two utility
>> bills, to show proof of address, a social security card or Birth
>> certificate, and I would be good to go.
>>
>>
>>
>>    Second Trip to the DMV
>>
>> About two or three  weeks later, my very kind church lady and I go back 
>> to
>> the DMV, water and electric bills in hand, along with my two photo ID's,
>> my birth certificate, and got back in line to wait my turn.  I get up to
>> the reception desk with all my info, and after looking at it, was asked
>> for my social security card.  I explained I misplaced it, and the last
>> time I was there, was told my birth certificate along with the other
>> pieces of information I had would suffice.  She apologizes, and states my
>> social security card is required.  I could go to the social security
>> office and obtain a letter which they would accept, substantiating that I
>> did have a social security card.
>>
>>
>>
>> Feeling very frustrated, since I truly thought this issue was going to be
>> resolved at this time, and had other things to do, I told my very kind
>> church lady friend that we would deal with this another day.  Once again,
>> she graciously offered to take me to the Social Security office one day
>> the next week, and then back to the DMV, which was exactly what we did.
>>
>>
>>
>> Third Trip to the DNV
>>
>> We go back to the DNV a week later, social security letter in hand, two
>> utility bills, two picture ID's, and my birth certificate.  I anxiously
>> awaited my turn, and after waiting approximately 30 to 45 minutes, got up
>> to the desk and handed the person my info.  After looking through it, she
>> states my name on my birth certificate is not the same as on the other
>> pieces of information. My response was, "Yes, I know, I got married." Can
>> you guess what her next statement is? You got it.  She now needs a
>> certified copy of my marriage certificate.
>>
>> Needless to say, at this point, I wanted to scream, but thanks to our 
>> Lord
>> and Savior, managed to compose myself.   I then proceeded to tell her 
>> that
>> this was my third trip to the DMV, and pointed out that she did have two
>> picture ID's right there in her hot little hand, (well I did leave the
>> words hot little hand part out), with me standing right in front of her,
>> verifying those pictures, plus two utility bills which verified home
>> address and name, as well as my social security letter.  Noticing how
>> frustrated I was, she decided to check with her boss, and upon return,
>> proceeded to apologize for my inconvenience, but stated I would still 
>> have
>> to come back with the marriage certificate.
>>
>> Frustrated, disappointed, and discouraged, out the door we went for the
>> third time, knowing I had yet another obstacle to overcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> After numerous calls to New Jersey, I finally got to the correct office,
>> where I was told they would be happy to send me a copy of my marriage
>> certificate, provided I furnished them with a current driver's license
>> /ID.  Hmmm, another obstacle!  Long story short, I ended up contacting my
>> x, who found it, and sent it to me.  Elated, I almost said "I love you",
>> but caught myself in the nick of time, as that wouldn't have been a very
>> good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fourth Trip to the DMV
>>
>> So now my church lady friend and I are back at the DMV, with two photo
>> ID's, two utility bills, my social security letter, my birth certificate,
>> and my marriage certificate.  I once again, get up to the desk, feeling
>> very confident this would be the day I get my new ID, but there was yet
>> another glitch.  The marriage certificate that my x thought was the
>> original, was a copy, and I was told she could not accept a copy.  Now, I
>> can feel the blood rush to my head, and am trying very hard to maintain 
>> my
>> composure.  She obviously took note of my expression, knowing I had been
>> there before, and decided to ask her boss if she could accept it. 
>> Luckily
>> for my sake they did, and I was finally able to go on my merry way with 
>> my
>> new ID.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, let me say because of what happened with 911, and the identity theft
>> problem, I do understand the security issue, and totally agree with it 
>> one
>> hundred percent, but what happened in my case though, I feel was 
>> overkill.
>> If I didn't have two photo ID's, which obviously reiterated who I was, I
>> could understand connecting all the dots, but truly feel that wasn't
>> necessary here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, people who drive get notified 2 months in advance that their 
>> license
>> will be expiring.
>>
>> People with state ID's who do not drive, do not ever get notified. 
>> What's
>> up with that???
>>
>>
>>
>> Are people who don't drive less important? Do they not deserve equal
>> treatment?  Is this discrimination?
>>
>>
>>
>> You tell me!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And remember....
>> If you lack the courage to  start, you have already finished.
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