[Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max

Wed Jun 27 22:32:50 UTC 2012

I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max

> Here's the information you need to get your ID. I've already got mine! 
> Just because we're blind doesn't mean we should not have to follow the 
> rules!
> www.flhsmv.gov/RealID.htm
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <valkemadenise at aol.com>
> To: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>
>
>>I agree this is sad but I believe the sighted people wanting a driver's 
>>license or Florida identification card have to provide the same 
>>documentation that was asked. Also, once beyond a certain age, the 
>>identification card doesn't expire.
>>
>> I called to set an appointment and asked what to bring including payment 
>> method prior to going. This helped with wait time in Miami-Dade anyway.
>>
>> We could see about having notification mailed out 2 months ahead if this 
>> is done for driver's license. Is this done for all Florids?
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taraprakash at gmail.com
>> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:10 am
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>>
>>
>>
>> It's really sad. Who would compensate if you did or if you had to take 
>> leave
>> from work for this?
>> We have two lessons to learn from this experience:
>>
>> 1. Do not let your state id expire.
>>
>> 2. Be more sympathetic towards people without documents. Not having them
>> should not automatically make you illegal.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Patricia A. Lipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: "NFBF List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:04 AM
>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wanted to write and share my wonderful experience I had recently with
>>> the Department of Motor Vehicles.  Talk about bureaucracy, this is
>>> bureaucracy to the Max as far as I'm concerned.  It's a tad long, and I
>>> apologize for that, but I didn't want to leave out too many details so 
>>> you
>>> could get the complete picture of exactly what happened.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It all started when my state ID expired.  Warning:   If you do anything 
>>> at
>>> all, do not let your ID expire..  It will be one of the biggest mistake
>>> you make!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First trip to the DMV
>>>
>>> I was told by a friend, even though my ID expired, just take it to the
>>> DMV, and they will just issue me a new one.     Wrong!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since there is a two hour turn around time with my Parra transit, a very
>>> kind lady from my church offered to take me to the DMV so I wouldn't 
>>> have
>>> to wait so long for my return trip.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I took my expired ID, as my friend suggested, which of course had my
>>> picture on it, and after standing in line for about 30 minutes, was told
>>> it could not be accepted because it was expired.  I then offered another
>>> ID with a picture of my service animal and myself on it, but they still
>>> wouldn't budge.  They told me I needed to come back with two utility
>>> bills, to show proof of address, a social security card or Birth
>>> certificate, and I would be good to go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Second Trip to the DMV
>>>
>>> About two or three  weeks later, my very kind church lady and I go back 
>>> to
>>> the DMV, water and electric bills in hand, along with my two photo ID's,
>>> my birth certificate, and got back in line to wait my turn.  I get up to
>>> the reception desk with all my info, and after looking at it, was asked
>>> for my social security card.  I explained I misplaced it, and the last
>>> time I was there, was told my birth certificate along with the other
>>> pieces of information I had would suffice.  She apologizes, and states 
>>> my
>>> social security card is required.  I could go to the social security
>>> office and obtain a letter which they would accept, substantiating that 
>>> I
>>> did have a social security card.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Feeling very frustrated, since I truly thought this issue was going to 
>>> be
>>> resolved at this time, and had other things to do, I told my very kind
>>> church lady friend that we would deal with this another day.  Once 
>>> again,
>>> she graciously offered to take me to the Social Security office one day
>>> the next week, and then back to the DMV, which was exactly what we did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Third Trip to the DNV
>>>
>>> We go back to the DNV a week later, social security letter in hand, two
>>> utility bills, two picture ID's, and my birth certificate.  I anxiously
>>> awaited my turn, and after waiting approximately 30 to 45 minutes, got 
>>> up
>>> to the desk and handed the person my info.  After looking through it, 
>>> she
>>> states my name on my birth certificate is not the same as on the other
>>> pieces of information. My response was, "Yes, I know, I got married." 
>>> Can
>>> you guess what her next statement is? You got it.  She now needs a
>>> certified copy of my marriage certificate.
>>>
>>> Needless to say, at this point, I wanted to scream, but thanks to our 
>>> Lord
>>> and Savior, managed to compose myself.   I then proceeded to tell her 
>>> that
>>> this was my third trip to the DMV, and pointed out that she did have two
>>> picture ID's right there in her hot little hand, (well I did leave the
>>> words hot little hand part out), with me standing right in front of her,
>>> verifying those pictures, plus two utility bills which verified home
>>> address and name, as well as my social security letter.  Noticing how
>>> frustrated I was, she decided to check with her boss, and upon return,
>>> proceeded to apologize for my inconvenience, but stated I would still 
>>> have
>>> to come back with the marriage certificate.
>>>
>>> Frustrated, disappointed, and discouraged, out the door we went for the
>>> third time, knowing I had yet another obstacle to overcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After numerous calls to New Jersey, I finally got to the correct office,
>>> where I was told they would be happy to send me a copy of my marriage
>>> certificate, provided I furnished them with a current driver's license
>>> /ID.  Hmmm, another obstacle!  Long story short, I ended up contacting 
>>> my
>>> x, who found it, and sent it to me.  Elated, I almost said "I love you",
>>> but caught myself in the nick of time, as that wouldn't have been a very
>>> good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fourth Trip to the DMV
>>>
>>> So now my church lady friend and I are back at the DMV, with two photo
>>> ID's, two utility bills, my social security letter, my birth 
>>> certificate,
>>> and my marriage certificate.  I once again, get up to the desk, feeling
>>> very confident this would be the day I get my new ID, but there was yet
>>> another glitch.  The marriage certificate that my x thought was the
>>> original, was a copy, and I was told she could not accept a copy.  Now, 
>>> I
>>> can feel the blood rush to my head, and am trying very hard to maintain 
>>> my
>>> composure.  She obviously took note of my expression, knowing I had been
>>> there before, and decided to ask her boss if she could accept it. 
>>> Luckily
>>> for my sake they did, and I was finally able to go on my merry way with 
>>> my
>>> new ID.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, let me say because of what happened with 911, and the identity 
>>> theft
>>> problem, I do understand the security issue, and totally agree with it 
>>> one
>>> hundred percent, but what happened in my case though, I feel was 
>>> overkill.
>>> If I didn't have two photo ID's, which obviously reiterated who I was, I
>>> could understand connecting all the dots, but truly feel that wasn't
>>> necessary here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, people who drive get notified 2 months in advance that their 
>>> license
>>> will be expiring.
>>>
>>> People with state ID's who do not drive, do not ever get notified. 
>>> What's
>>> up with that???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are people who don't drive less important? Do they not deserve equal
>>> treatment?  Is this discrimination?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You tell me!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And remember....
>>> If you lack the courage to  start, you have already finished.
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