[Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens tocarrygunslegally

Wed Sep 11 23:15:41 UTC 2013

Bob,

     With all due respect, you are undoubtedly one of the rudest and most 
arogant contributors I have experienced on this list. Perhaps you help to 
perpetuate the stereotypes of blind people as arogant and intolerant people.

P.S. I do apologize to anyone on this list that finds my posts 
argumentative. I just find it very difficult these days to tolerate bullies.

Kathy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens 
tocarrygunslegally

> Willie:
>
> With all due respect, that is undoubtedly one of the dumbest comments
> that I have ever read on this listserv and believe me, there have been
> several.
>
> Why would you assume that invading my residence would not be
> profitable for thieves?  Perhaps, you reflect many of the
> stereotypical attitudes that persist concerning blind people.
>
> Have a great day.
>
>          Bob Clark
>
>
> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Well Bob.
>> your poitis well taken, however, why would anyone want to invade your 
>> home
>> or premises without former knowledge of a profitable gain?  I think that 
>> you
>>
>> should protect your  home, and family is admirable, but thieves only 
>> invade
>>
>> premises when it is profitable.  Violence is not the answer.
>>
>> Willie Lucas
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>> carrygunslegally
>>
>>
>>> Hello Mark:
>>>
>>> Well, since I don't know your position on this issue, I don't know if
>>> this will get you started or not.
>>>
>>> I am a totally blind gun owner and have owned a gun for the last 10
>>> years.  Although I seldom carry it, I do have the right and have on
>>> several occasions when certain situations dictated.
>>>
>>> My primary reason for owning a gun is to protect my family as well as
>>> myself in case of home invasion.  I can think of nothing worse than to
>>> be held as a defenseless hostage while someone threatened my family.
>>>
>>> If one is responsible and is properly trained, there is absolutely no
>>> reason why a blind person should not own a gun for personal protection
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Finally based upon your signature, one can conclude that you are a
>>> liberal as well as a pacifist.  That is your choice but don't impose
>>> your opinions on other people.
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>>          Bob Clark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/10/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>> Do not, and I do mean do not, get me started on this one.  I will 
>>>> bridle
>>>>
>>>> my
>>>>
>>>> tongue so I don't start a controversy, but it's darn hard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alan Dicey
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry
>>>> gunslegally
>>>>
>>>>     Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry guns legally
>>>> By Robert Kingett, disability reporter.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Kingett is a blind journalist in Chicago who covers anything and
>>>> everything disability, including sports, human-interest stories, and
>>>> advocacy reports. He was ranked as top disability journalist by the
>>>> staffin
>>>>
>>>> august. To have Robert cover your disability event or story, please
>>>> visit
>>>> his website. www.robertkingett.com
>>>>
>>>> Sep 8, 2013 - 6 hours ago in Politics
>>>> Iowa - Recently a state law was passed that would allow blind and
>>>> visually
>>>> impaired people in Iowa to carry firearms. Residents and advocacy 
>>>> agents
>>>> have varying opinions on the issue.
>>>> No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not allow
>>>> sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on physical
>>>> ability.
>>>> The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the
>>>> disabled
>>>> and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good 
>>>> idea
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>> visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.
>>>> On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, who
>>>> demonstrated for this report how blind people can be taught to shoot
>>>> guns.
>>>> And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who says
>>>> blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon
>>>> permits
>>>> would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.  That federal law
>>>> generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.
>>>> On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don Vrotsos,
>>>> who
>>>> said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick
>>>> Clancy,
>>>>
>>>> superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says
>>>> guns
>>>> may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can
>>>> participate
>>>>
>>>> fully in life.
>>>> Private gun ownership - even hunting - by visually impaired Iowans is
>>>> nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally
>>>> carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun permit
>>>> changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
>>>> "It seems a little strange, but the way the law reads, we can't deny 
>>>> them
>>>>
>>>> (a
>>>>
>>>> permit) just based on that one thing," said Sgt. Jana Abens, a
>>>> spokeswoman
>>>> for the Polk County sheriff's office, referring to a visual disability.
>>>> Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least
>>>> three
>>>> people who can't legally drive and were unable to read the application
>>>> forms
>>>>
>>>> or had difficulty doing so because of visual impairments.
>>>> And sheriffs in three other counties - Jasper, Kossuth and Delaware -
>>>> say
>>>> they have granted permits to residents who they believe have severe
>>>> visual
>>>> impairments.
>>>> "I'm not an expert in vision," Delaware Sheriff John LeClere said. "At
>>>> what
>>>>
>>>> point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a firearm? 
>>>> If
>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you
>>>> probably
>>>>
>>>> shouldn't be shooting.
>>>>
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