[Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizenstocarrygunslegally

Lady Giggy ladygiggy at comcast.net
Thu Sep 12 00:43:05 UTC 2013 

Thank you Cathy!  We as blind people have the right to protect ourselves, 
and our families.  I wonder?  If gunds can do the trick?
Willie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Roskos" <kroskos at cox.net>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired 
citizenstocarrygunslegally


> Bob,
>
>     With all due respect, you are undoubtedly one of the rudest and most 
> arogant contributors I have experienced on this list. Perhaps you help to 
> perpetuate the stereotypes of blind people as arogant and intolerant 
> people.
>
> P.S. I do apologize to anyone on this list that finds my posts 
> argumentative. I just find it very difficult these days to tolerate 
> bullies.
>
> Kathy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens 
> tocarrygunslegally
>
>
>> Willie:
>>
>> With all due respect, that is undoubtedly one of the dumbest comments
>> that I have ever read on this listserv and believe me, there have been
>> several.
>>
>> Why would you assume that invading my residence would not be
>> profitable for thieves?  Perhaps, you reflect many of the
>> stereotypical attitudes that persist concerning blind people.
>>
>> Have a great day.
>>
>>          Bob Clark
>>
>>
>> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Well Bob.
>>> your poitis well taken, however, why would anyone want to invade your 
>>> home
>>> or premises without former knowledge of a profitable gain?  I think that 
>>> you
>>>
>>> should protect your  home, and family is admirable, but thieves only 
>>> invade
>>>
>>> premises when it is profitable.  Violence is not the answer.
>>>
>>> Willie Lucas
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>>> carrygunslegally
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Mark:
>>>>
>>>> Well, since I don't know your position on this issue, I don't know if
>>>> this will get you started or not.
>>>>
>>>> I am a totally blind gun owner and have owned a gun for the last 10
>>>> years.  Although I seldom carry it, I do have the right and have on
>>>> several occasions when certain situations dictated.
>>>>
>>>> My primary reason for owning a gun is to protect my family as well as
>>>> myself in case of home invasion.  I can think of nothing worse than to
>>>> be held as a defenseless hostage while someone threatened my family.
>>>>
>>>> If one is responsible and is properly trained, there is absolutely no
>>>> reason why a blind person should not own a gun for personal protection
>>>> purposes.
>>>>
>>>> Finally based upon your signature, one can conclude that you are a
>>>> liberal as well as a pacifist.  That is your choice but don't impose
>>>> your opinions on other people.
>>>>
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>
>>>>          Bob Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/10/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>> Do not, and I do mean do not, get me started on this one.  I will 
>>>>> bridle
>>>>>
>>>>> my
>>>>>
>>>>> tongue so I don't start a controversy, but it's darn hard.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alan Dicey
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry
>>>>> gunslegally
>>>>>
>>>>>     Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry guns legally
>>>>> By Robert Kingett, disability reporter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Kingett is a blind journalist in Chicago who covers anything 
>>>>> and
>>>>> everything disability, including sports, human-interest stories, and
>>>>> advocacy reports. He was ranked as top disability journalist by the
>>>>> staffin
>>>>>
>>>>> august. To have Robert cover your disability event or story, please
>>>>> visit
>>>>> his website. www.robertkingett.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Sep 8, 2013 - 6 hours ago in Politics
>>>>> Iowa - Recently a state law was passed that would allow blind and
>>>>> visually
>>>>> impaired people in Iowa to carry firearms. Residents and advocacy 
>>>>> agents
>>>>> have varying opinions on the issue.
>>>>> No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not allow
>>>>> sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on 
>>>>> physical
>>>>> ability.
>>>>> The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the
>>>>> disabled
>>>>> and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good 
>>>>> idea
>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>> visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.
>>>>> On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, 
>>>>> who
>>>>> demonstrated for this report how blind people can be taught to shoot
>>>>> guns.
>>>>> And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who 
>>>>> says
>>>>> blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon
>>>>> permits
>>>>> would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.  That federal law
>>>>> generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.
>>>>> On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don Vrotsos,
>>>>> who
>>>>> said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick
>>>>> Clancy,
>>>>>
>>>>> superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says
>>>>> guns
>>>>> may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can
>>>>> participate
>>>>>
>>>>> fully in life.
>>>>> Private gun ownership - even hunting - by visually impaired Iowans is
>>>>> nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally
>>>>> carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun 
>>>>> permit
>>>>> changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
>>>>> "It seems a little strange, but the way the law reads, we can't deny 
>>>>> them
>>>>>
>>>>> (a
>>>>>
>>>>> permit) just based on that one thing," said Sgt. Jana Abens, a
>>>>> spokeswoman
>>>>> for the Polk County sheriff's office, referring to a visual 
>>>>> disability.
>>>>> Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least
>>>>> three
>>>>> people who can't legally drive and were unable to read the application
>>>>> forms
>>>>>
>>>>> or had difficulty doing so because of visual impairments.
>>>>> And sheriffs in three other counties - Jasper, Kossuth and Delaware -
>>>>> say
>>>>> they have granted permits to residents who they believe have severe
>>>>> visual
>>>>> impairments.
>>>>> "I'm not an expert in vision," Delaware Sheriff John LeClere said. "At
>>>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>> point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a firearm? 
>>>>> If
>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you
>>>>> probably
>>>>>
>>>>> shouldn't be shooting.
>>>>>
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