[Nfbf-l] No Violence Necessary
Peter Donahue
pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
Thu Sep 12 02:05:45 UTC 2013
Good evening everyone,
We were recently reminded that thieves can be very crafty when it comes
to being able to steal from people. For about three weeks we had an
individual who was living out on the street staying with us. Since we had
known her for several years and was assured by a cab driver that also knows
her we decided to let her stay with us to help her get on her feet. Since
she was a care giver she was a big help in that she helped us do lots of
cleaning, and we enjoyed her cooking. She made delicious pancakes!
All went well until one morning Mary discovered some cash missing from
one of our wallets. Wanting to give her the benefit of a doubt we searched
for the missing cash but it didn't turn up. That evening we got more cash
from the ATM. Since she needed money for transportation I gave the bulk of
it to Mary so she could hide it. The rest I left in my wallet as bate. The
next morning when I came in from taking the dog out the cash was gone. Since
this happened a second time I demanded that the woman and I search the
drawer where the wallet was kept. After hearing a few choice words from her
and her appearing to search frantically through the drawer the cash seemed
to appear out of nowhere. I returned it to my wallet and went downstairs to
eat my brunch. Upon returning to my room and checking the wallet again I
discovered that the cash was missing for the second time. By now it was all
too clear what was going on. Before that day was over that lady was removed
from our apartment complex by the San Antonio police. Money stopped
disappearing after she left.
That lady had it good. We're amazed that one would take advantage of
someone's hospitality including an air conditioned room and a bed to sleep
in as well as would-be friends that were willing to help her get the needed
services she needed such as Social Security, Foodstamps, etc for a patio in
the hot south Texas sun at her son's place. If her son didn't want her
staying with him we could understand why.
This individual learned the hard way that blind people aren't stupid and
will do whatever is necessary to protect themselves and their belongings.
Fortunately this matter was resolved in a non-violent manner. Praise God
that there are states willing to grant blind people the right to carry guns.
We can only hope that no one ever has to use one to protect themselves or
their property. All the best.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually
impairedcitizenstocarrygunslegally
Kathy & Willie:
It is what it is. You are what you are. Contemplate it.
My comments/opinions were subject oriented: your comments are
personally oriented. That's your issue, not mine.
Have a great evening.
Bob Clark
On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
> Thank you Cathy! We as blind people have the right to protect ourselves,
> and our families. I wonder? If gunds can do the trick?
> Willie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy Roskos" <kroskos at cox.net>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired
> citizenstocarrygunslegally
>
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> With all due respect, you are undoubtedly one of the rudest and most
>> arogant contributors I have experienced on this list. Perhaps you help to
>>
>> perpetuate the stereotypes of blind people as arogant and intolerant
>> people.
>>
>> P.S. I do apologize to anyone on this list that finds my posts
>> argumentative. I just find it very difficult these days to tolerate
>> bullies.
>>
>> Kathy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens
>> tocarrygunslegally
>>
>>
>>> Willie:
>>>
>>> With all due respect, that is undoubtedly one of the dumbest comments
>>> that I have ever read on this listserv and believe me, there have been
>>> several.
>>>
>>> Why would you assume that invading my residence would not be
>>> profitable for thieves? Perhaps, you reflect many of the
>>> stereotypical attitudes that persist concerning blind people.
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>> Bob Clark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Well Bob.
>>>> your poitis well taken, however, why would anyone want to invade your
>>>> home
>>>> or premises without former knowledge of a profitable gain? I think
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> should protect your home, and family is admirable, but thieves only
>>>> invade
>>>>
>>>> premises when it is profitable. Violence is not the answer.
>>>>
>>>> Willie Lucas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>>>> carrygunslegally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mark:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, since I don't know your position on this issue, I don't know if
>>>>> this will get you started or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a totally blind gun owner and have owned a gun for the last 10
>>>>> years. Although I seldom carry it, I do have the right and have on
>>>>> several occasions when certain situations dictated.
>>>>>
>>>>> My primary reason for owning a gun is to protect my family as well as
>>>>> myself in case of home invasion. I can think of nothing worse than to
>>>>> be held as a defenseless hostage while someone threatened my family.
>>>>>
>>>>> If one is responsible and is properly trained, there is absolutely no
>>>>> reason why a blind person should not own a gun for personal protection
>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally based upon your signature, one can conclude that you are a
>>>>> liberal as well as a pacifist. That is your choice but don't impose
>>>>> your opinions on other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/10/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Do not, and I do mean do not, get me started on this one. I will
>>>>>> bridle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tongue so I don't start a controversy, but it's darn hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Alan Dicey
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry
>>>>>> gunslegally
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry guns legally
>>>>>> By Robert Kingett, disability reporter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Kingett is a blind journalist in Chicago who covers anything
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> everything disability, including sports, human-interest stories, and
>>>>>> advocacy reports. He was ranked as top disability journalist by the
>>>>>> staffin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> august. To have Robert cover your disability event or story, please
>>>>>> visit
>>>>>> his website. www.robertkingett.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sep 8, 2013 - 6 hours ago in Politics
>>>>>> Iowa - Recently a state law was passed that would allow blind and
>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> impaired people in Iowa to carry firearms. Residents and advocacy
>>>>>> agents
>>>>>> have varying opinions on the issue.
>>>>>> No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not
>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on
>>>>>> physical
>>>>>> ability.
>>>>>> The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the
>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>> and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good
>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.
>>>>>> On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington,
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> demonstrated for this report how blind people can be taught to shoot
>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>> And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon
>>>>>> permits
>>>>>> would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act. That federal law
>>>>>> generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.
>>>>>> On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don Vrotsos,
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick
>>>>>> Clancy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says
>>>>>> guns
>>>>>> may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can
>>>>>> participate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fully in life.
>>>>>> Private gun ownership - even hunting - by visually impaired Iowans is
>>>>>> nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally
>>>>>> carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun
>>>>>> permit
>>>>>> changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
>>>>>> "It seems a little strange, but the way the law reads, we can't deny
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> permit) just based on that one thing," said Sgt. Jana Abens, a
>>>>>> spokeswoman
>>>>>> for the Polk County sheriff's office, referring to a visual
>>>>>> disability.
>>>>>> Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least
>>>>>> three
>>>>>> people who can't legally drive and were unable to read the
>>>>>> application
>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or had difficulty doing so because of visual impairments.
>>>>>> And sheriffs in three other counties - Jasper, Kossuth and Delaware -
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> they have granted permits to residents who they believe have severe
>>>>>> visual
>>>>>> impairments.
>>>>>> "I'm not an expert in vision," Delaware Sheriff John LeClere said.
>>>>>> "At
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>> point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a firearm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>
>>>>>> shouldn't be shooting.
>>>>>>
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