[Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impairedcitizenstocarrygunslegally

Sat Sep 14 19:39:36 UTC 2013

Well Bob,
Just to clear the air, please accept my full apology.
Willie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually 
impairedcitizenstocarrygunslegally

> Kathy & Willie:
>
> It is what it is.  You are what you are.  Contemplate it.
>
> My comments/opinions  were subject oriented: your comments are
> personally oriented.  That's your issue, not mine.
>
> Have a great evening.
>
>          Bob Clark
>
>
> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Thank you Cathy!  We as blind people have the right to protect ourselves,
>> and our families.  I wonder?  If gunds can do the trick?
>> Willie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kathy Roskos" <kroskos at cox.net>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired
>> citizenstocarrygunslegally
>>
>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>>     With all due respect, you are undoubtedly one of the rudest and most
>>> arogant contributors I have experienced on this list. Perhaps you help 
>>> to
>>>
>>> perpetuate the stereotypes of blind people as arogant and intolerant
>>> people.
>>>
>>> P.S. I do apologize to anyone on this list that finds my posts
>>> argumentative. I just find it very difficult these days to tolerate
>>> bullies.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens
>>> tocarrygunslegally
>>>
>>>
>>>> Willie:
>>>>
>>>> With all due respect, that is undoubtedly one of the dumbest comments
>>>> that I have ever read on this listserv and believe me, there have been
>>>> several.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you assume that invading my residence would not be
>>>> profitable for thieves?  Perhaps, you reflect many of the
>>>> stereotypical attitudes that persist concerning blind people.
>>>>
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>
>>>>          Bob Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Well Bob.
>>>>> your poitis well taken, however, why would anyone want to invade your
>>>>> home
>>>>> or premises without former knowledge of a profitable gain?  I think 
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> should protect your  home, and family is admirable, but thieves only
>>>>> invade
>>>>>
>>>>> premises when it is profitable.  Violence is not the answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Willie Lucas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>>>>> carrygunslegally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Mark:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, since I don't know your position on this issue, I don't know if
>>>>>> this will get you started or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a totally blind gun owner and have owned a gun for the last 10
>>>>>> years.  Although I seldom carry it, I do have the right and have on
>>>>>> several occasions when certain situations dictated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My primary reason for owning a gun is to protect my family as well as
>>>>>> myself in case of home invasion.  I can think of nothing worse than 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be held as a defenseless hostage while someone threatened my family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If one is responsible and is properly trained, there is absolutely no
>>>>>> reason why a blind person should not own a gun for personal 
>>>>>> protection
>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally based upon your signature, one can conclude that you are a
>>>>>> liberal as well as a pacifist.  That is your choice but don't impose
>>>>>> your opinions on other people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Bob Clark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Do not, and I do mean do not, get me started on this one.  I will
>>>>>>> bridle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tongue so I don't start a controversy, but it's darn hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Alan Dicey
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to 
>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>> gunslegally
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry guns legally
>>>>>>> By Robert Kingett, disability reporter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert Kingett is a blind journalist in Chicago who covers anything
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> everything disability, including sports, human-interest stories, and
>>>>>>> advocacy reports. He was ranked as top disability journalist by the
>>>>>>> staffin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> august. To have Robert cover your disability event or story, please
>>>>>>> visit
>>>>>>> his website. www.robertkingett.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sep 8, 2013 - 6 hours ago in Politics
>>>>>>> Iowa - Recently a state law was passed that would allow blind and
>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>> impaired people in Iowa to carry firearms. Residents and advocacy
>>>>>>> agents
>>>>>>> have varying opinions on the issue.
>>>>>>> No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on
>>>>>>> physical
>>>>>>> ability.
>>>>>>> The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the
>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>> and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good
>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.
>>>>>>> On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington,
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> demonstrated for this report how blind people can be taught to shoot
>>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>>> And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>> blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon
>>>>>>> permits
>>>>>>> would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.  That federal law
>>>>>>> generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.
>>>>>>> On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don 
>>>>>>> Vrotsos,
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick
>>>>>>> Clancy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says
>>>>>>> guns
>>>>>>> may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can
>>>>>>> participate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fully in life.
>>>>>>> Private gun ownership - even hunting - by visually impaired Iowans 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally
>>>>>>> carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun
>>>>>>> permit
>>>>>>> changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
>>>>>>> "It seems a little strange, but the way the law reads, we can't deny
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> permit) just based on that one thing," said Sgt. Jana Abens, a
>>>>>>> spokeswoman
>>>>>>> for the Polk County sheriff's office, referring to a visual
>>>>>>> disability.
>>>>>>> Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least
>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>> people who can't legally drive and were unable to read the
>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or had difficulty doing so because of visual impairments.
>>>>>>> And sheriffs in three other counties - Jasper, Kossuth and 
>>>>>>> Delaware -
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> they have granted permits to residents who they believe have severe
>>>>>>> visual
>>>>>>> impairments.
>>>>>>> "I'm not an expert in vision," Delaware Sheriff John LeClere said.
>>>>>>> "At
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a 
>>>>>>> firearm?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> shouldn't be shooting.
>>>>>>>
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