[Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impairedcitizenstocarrygunslegally

Sun Sep 15 14:10:34 UTC 2013

Good Morning Willie:

There is no reason for you to apologize.  It is ok.  We just happen to
disagree on a very controversial issue.

Have a great remainder of your weekend.

          Bob Clark

On 9/14/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
> Well Bob,
> Just to clear the air, please accept my full apology.
> Willie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually
> impairedcitizenstocarrygunslegally
>
>
>> Kathy & Willie:
>>
>> It is what it is.  You are what you are.  Contemplate it.
>>
>> My comments/opinions  were subject oriented: your comments are
>> personally oriented.  That's your issue, not mine.
>>
>> Have a great evening.
>>
>>          Bob Clark
>>
>>
>> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Thank you Cathy!  We as blind people have the right to protect
>>> ourselves,
>>> and our families.  I wonder?  If gunds can do the trick?
>>> Willie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kathy Roskos" <kroskos at cox.net>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired
>>> citizenstocarrygunslegally
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bob,
>>>>
>>>>     With all due respect, you are undoubtedly one of the rudest and
>>>> most
>>>> arogant contributors I have experienced on this list. Perhaps you help
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> perpetuate the stereotypes of blind people as arogant and intolerant
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I do apologize to anyone on this list that finds my posts
>>>> argumentative. I just find it very difficult these days to tolerate
>>>> bullies.
>>>>
>>>> Kathy
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens
>>>> tocarrygunslegally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Willie:
>>>>>
>>>>> With all due respect, that is undoubtedly one of the dumbest comments
>>>>> that I have ever read on this listserv and believe me, there have been
>>>>> several.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you assume that invading my residence would not be
>>>>> profitable for thieves?  Perhaps, you reflect many of the
>>>>> stereotypical attitudes that persist concerning blind people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>
>>>>>          Bob Clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Well Bob.
>>>>>> your poitis well taken, however, why would anyone want to invade your
>>>>>> home
>>>>>> or premises without former knowledge of a profitable gain?  I think
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> should protect your  home, and family is admirable, but thieves only
>>>>>> invade
>>>>>>
>>>>>> premises when it is profitable.  Violence is not the answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Willie Lucas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>>>>>> carrygunslegally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Mark:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, since I don't know your position on this issue, I don't know
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> this will get you started or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am a totally blind gun owner and have owned a gun for the last 10
>>>>>>> years.  Although I seldom carry it, I do have the right and have on
>>>>>>> several occasions when certain situations dictated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My primary reason for owning a gun is to protect my family as well
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> myself in case of home invasion.  I can think of nothing worse than
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be held as a defenseless hostage while someone threatened my family.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If one is responsible and is properly trained, there is absolutely
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> reason why a blind person should not own a gun for personal
>>>>>>> protection
>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally based upon your signature, one can conclude that you are a
>>>>>>> liberal as well as a pacifist.  That is your choice but don't impose
>>>>>>> your opinions on other people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          Bob Clark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Do not, and I do mean do not, get me started on this one.  I will
>>>>>>>> bridle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tongue so I don't start a controversy, but it's darn hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Alan Dicey
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>> gunslegally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry guns
>>>>>>>> legally
>>>>>>>> By Robert Kingett, disability reporter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert Kingett is a blind journalist in Chicago who covers anything
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> everything disability, including sports, human-interest stories,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> advocacy reports. He was ranked as top disability journalist by the
>>>>>>>> staffin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> august. To have Robert cover your disability event or story, please
>>>>>>>> visit
>>>>>>>> his website. www.robertkingett.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sep 8, 2013 - 6 hours ago in Politics
>>>>>>>> Iowa - Recently a state law was passed that would allow blind and
>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>> impaired people in Iowa to carry firearms. Residents and advocacy
>>>>>>>> agents
>>>>>>>> have varying opinions on the issue.
>>>>>>>> No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>> sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on
>>>>>>>> physical
>>>>>>>> ability.
>>>>>>>> The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the
>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>> and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good
>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.
>>>>>>>> On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington,
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> demonstrated for this report how blind people can be taught to
>>>>>>>> shoot
>>>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>>>> And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who
>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>> blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon
>>>>>>>> permits
>>>>>>>> would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.  That federal
>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>>> generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.
>>>>>>>> On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don
>>>>>>>> Vrotsos,
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And
>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>> Clancy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who
>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>> guns
>>>>>>>> may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can
>>>>>>>> participate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fully in life.
>>>>>>>> Private gun ownership - even hunting - by visually impaired Iowans
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents
>>>>>>>> legally
>>>>>>>> carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun
>>>>>>>> permit
>>>>>>>> changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
>>>>>>>> "It seems a little strange, but the way the law reads, we can't
>>>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> permit) just based on that one thing," said Sgt. Jana Abens, a
>>>>>>>> spokeswoman
>>>>>>>> for the Polk County sheriff's office, referring to a visual
>>>>>>>> disability.
>>>>>>>> Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at
>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>>> people who can't legally drive and were unable to read the
>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or had difficulty doing so because of visual impairments.
>>>>>>>> And sheriffs in three other counties - Jasper, Kossuth and
>>>>>>>> Delaware -
>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>> they have granted permits to residents who they believe have severe
>>>>>>>> visual
>>>>>>>> impairments.
>>>>>>>> "I'm not an expert in vision," Delaware Sheriff John LeClere said.
>>>>>>>> "At
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a
>>>>>>>> firearm?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you
>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shouldn't be shooting.
>>>>>>>>
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