[Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah

[Judith Bron]

What the Halacha had to establish was need.  JB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Felicitas Payk" <felicitas.payk at t-online.de>
To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah


> Hmm - may I say that this doesn't make much sense to me? What reasons 
> should one have to use a cane in the house, where everything is familiar 
> and we can find our way easily? And in the house we are not likely to 
> stumble or fall, but it would be the case outside if we wouldn't have our 
> cane.
> Pheww!
> Feli *trying to stay calm*
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
> To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
>
>
>> Yes, there is an umbrella of special circumstances, but a Rav should be 
>> consulted.  When I asked one Rav if I could carry my white cane outside 
>> on Shabbos before we had an eruv he said only if I used it in the house. 
>> I used the cane a few hours a week in the house and went on my merry way 
>> on Shabbos.  He was quoting the Halacha.  Judith
>> From: <LoriStay at aol.com>
>> To: <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
>>
>>
>>> This may fall under the umbrella of special circumstances.   For awhile
>>> David was given to understand that he couldn't take his cane with him on
>>> Shabbat, but then it was recognized that he wasn't carrying it, so much 
>>> as it was
>>> guiding him, and he wouldn't get there otherwise.   The same may apply 
>>> to
>>> wheelchairs, though the Eruv may take care of that.
>>> Lori
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/11/09 10:36:20 PM, jbron at optonline.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My suggestion is consulting your local Rav. He will have the halachos 
>>>> on
>>>> this issue. Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lauren Tuchman" <ltuchman1 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Feli, I've often wondered the same thing. As Judith aforementioned,
>>>> shomer
>>>> > negia friends have offered me their arm though I do not ask them and 
>>>> > was
>>>> > actually surprised. Anyone know the specific halachos on this?
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Felicitas Payk" <felicitas.payk at t-online.de>
>>>> > To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM
>>>> > Subject: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hello,
>>>> >> I actually wondered whether guiding blind people collides with being
>>>> >> shomer negiah. An Orthodox rabbi who once taught me always offered 
>>>> >> me
>>>> his
>>>> >> arm when we went somewhere, and I was very happy about that. Do you
>>>> know
>>>> >> whether there is anything written on this subject, or whether the
>>>> Talmud
>>>> >> says anything? What are your experiences with those situations, when
>>>> you
>>>> >> need a hand but there's no one of your sex around? Did people ever 
>>>> >> say
>>>> >> "no"?
>>>> >> All the best,
>>>> >> Feli
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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