[Nfbj] Nfbj Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4

Mon Jun 15 11:50:10 UTC 2009

Feli,
Please email me offlist, and I'll let you know what happened in my case.
I had an angel who helped me out here. Email me at buffa.hanse at ky.gov
and use a vague subject line, since this is work email. I am not
consistent with my home email and am working out some computer issues at
the moment. I look forward to chatting with you. 
Shalom,
Buffa

Buffa Hanse
Braille/Audio equip. Teacher
Charles W. McDowell Center
8412 Westport Road
Louisville, Ky 40242
phone: 502-429-4460 (page)
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Blindness and shemirat negiah (LoriStay at aol.com)
   2. Re: Blindness and shemirat negiah (Judith Bron)
   3. Re: Blindness and shemirat negiah (LoriStay at aol.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:55:39 EDT
From: LoriStay at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
To: nfbj at nfbnet.org
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This may fall under the umbrella of special circumstances.   For awhile 
David was given to understand that he couldn't take his cane with him on
Shabbat, but then it was recognized that he wasn't carrying it, so much
as it was 
guiding him, and he wouldn't get there otherwise.   The same may apply
to 
wheelchairs, though the Eruv may take care of that.
Lori

In a message dated 6/11/09 10:36:20 PM, jbron at optonline.net writes:

> My suggestion is consulting your local Rav.? He will have the halachos

> on this issue.? Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lauren Tuchman" <ltuchman1 at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
> 
> 
> > Feli, I've often wondered the same thing. As Judith aforementioned,
> shomer
> > negia friends have offered me their arm though I do not ask them and

> > was actually surprised. Anyone know the specific halachos on this?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Felicitas Payk" <felicitas.payk at t-online.de>
> > To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
> >
> >
> >> Hello,
> >> I actually wondered whether guiding blind people collides with 
> >> being shomer negiah. An Orthodox rabbi who once taught me always 
> >> offered me
> his
> >> arm when we went somewhere, and I was very happy about that. Do you
> know
> >> whether there is anything written on this subject, or whether the
> Talmud
> >> says anything? What are your experiences with those situations, 
> >> when
> you
> >> need a hand but there's no one of your sex around? Did people ever 
> >> say "no"?
> >> All the best,
> >> Feli
> >>
> >>
> 

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:12:26 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
To: NFB in Judaism <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c9eb91$b92c6710$3302a8c0 at dell5150>
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Yes, there is an umbrella of special circumstances, but a Rav should be
consulted.  When I asked one Rav if I could carry my white cane outside
on Shabbos before we had an eruv he said only if I used it in the house.
I used the cane a few hours a week in the house and went on my merry way
on Shabbos.  He was quoting the Halacha.  Judith
From: <LoriStay at aol.com>
To: <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah

> This may fall under the umbrella of special circumstances.   For
awhile
> David was given to understand that he couldn't take his cane with him 
> on Shabbat, but then it was recognized that he wasn't carrying it, so 
> much as it was
> guiding him, and he wouldn't get there otherwise.   The same may apply
to
> wheelchairs, though the Eruv may take care of that.
> Lori
>
> In a message dated 6/11/09 10:36:20 PM, jbron at optonline.net writes:
>
>
>> My suggestion is consulting your local Rav. He will have the halachos

>> on this issue. Judith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lauren Tuchman" <ltuchman1 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
>>
>>
>> > Feli, I've often wondered the same thing. As Judith aforementioned,
>> shomer
>> > negia friends have offered me their arm though I do not ask them 
>> > and was actually surprised. Anyone know the specific halachos on 
>> > this?
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Felicitas Payk" <felicitas.payk at t-online.de>
>> > To: "NFB in Judaism" <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:26 PM
>> > Subject: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >> I actually wondered whether guiding blind people collides with 
>> >> being shomer negiah. An Orthodox rabbi who once taught me always 
>> >> offered me
>> his
>> >> arm when we went somewhere, and I was very happy about that. Do 
>> >> you
>> know
>> >> whether there is anything written on this subject, or whether the
>> Talmud
>> >> says anything? What are your experiences with those situations, 
>> >> when
>> you
>> >> need a hand but there's no one of your sex around? Did people ever

>> >> say "no"?
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Feli
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:19:51 EDT
From: LoriStay at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
To: nfbj at nfbnet.org
Message-ID: <c20.5c9d4039.37640457 at aol.com>
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I use a cane occasionally (support cane) if I have to walk long
distances.  
 This means a mile or more.   However, I don't use it in the house.
It's 
easier to sit down if I get tired.   Not so easy on the walk to shul.   
Consequently, I don't get there very often.
Lori
In a message dated 6/12/09 3:17:45 PM, jbron at optonline.net writes:

> Yes, there is an umbrella of special circumstances, but a Rav should 
> be consulted.? When I asked one Rav if I could carry my white cane 
> outside on Shabbos before we had an eruv he said only if I used it in 
> the house.? I used the cane a few hours a week in the house and went 
> on my merry way on Shabbos.? He was quoting the Halacha.? Judith
> From: <LoriStay at aol.com>
> To: <nfbj at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbj] Blindness and shemirat negiah
> 
> 

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