[nfbmi-talk] yet another foia request

Elizabeth lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 29 10:59:06 UTC 2010


First, I have not seen any concrete evidence that states that the person you were responding to was in fact Pat Cannon. And even if this is the case, calling anyone a bastard on this email list should not be tolerated.
 
Respectfully,
Elizabeth

 
> From: joeharcz at comcast.net
> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:29:17 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] yet another foia request
> 
> And the original message which you seemed to delete here was from a Pat 
> asking Ms. Mann if she would be wearing a long or short skirt in her 
> parachute jump. And yes, I'd ask Mr. Cannon if his defensive skirt 
> so-to-speak is made out of the "bullet proof" drapes that he squander state 
> and federal monies to investigate in 20088 because folks were rightfully 
> protesting wrongs in service delivery in Detroit.
> 
> Now if service delivery and rehab services aren't a NFB issue than I must 
> certainly have joined the wrong organization here. I thought that 
> paternalism was to be combated at every front and that has been documented 
> to the extreme and more will be coming out soon.
> 
> This is certainly a war. The future of rehabilitation services, the BEP 
> program, education of our youth who are blind, newly blinded elderly 
> citizens, transitional services, and yes, college hang in the balance. Now 
> if those are not NFB issues please again steer me to the appropriate 
> organization if you would.
> 
> I've got a lot of work to do and have a whole lot of other things that I 
> could be doing with my time and advocacy efforts.
> 
> Oh yes, you might wish to talk with the students at MCB TC and the staff 
> about intimidation let alone so-called "flaming"...And you might wish to 
> talk with folks like Mark Eagle, Dave Robertson, and Christine about really 
> savage smears and actions.
> 
> You might just also wish to talk with all the BEP vendors who have been 
> smeared by this public official and worse. You might just wish to talk with 
> those who have had livelihoods taken from them along with having their 
> reputations sullied just to put some frosting on the cake.
> 
> While I'm at it you might just wish to look into a crystal ball and in that 
> you will see a nightmare of a collapsed MCB with order of selection on the 
> horizon as it has been so ineptly mismanaged.
> 
> I'm telling you Elizabeth there are going to be a whole lot of students who 
> happen to be blind who won't get any college or they'll have to settle for 
> the Associate Degree that Pat Cannon has. Not to many folks will get his job 
> though with those credentials because that won't be there likely either as 
> he has so grossly mismanaged MCB.
> 
> Already it has been widely circulated that MRS, MCB's sister agency is out 
> some $3 million in federal funds for doing some of the same things Cannon 
> has done with the financials. Now think about the consequences of that.
> 
> Moreover your attacks have not been on this one post alone, but on all 
> posts, including informative ones.
> 
> I'm really wonderring what gives here.
> 
> Regardless this ain't personal. It's public. Cannon is a public servant and 
> highly paid. His actions are total grist for the public mill. And as the 
> saying goes, "If he can't stand the heat than get out of the kitchen."
> 
> Elizabeth let you rest assured that I and others will continue to keep the 
> heat on and, in fact the Freedom of Information Act requests will turn it up 
> to high!
> 
> Follow the money Elizabeth while there is still a little bit of it left.
> 
> Follow the money...
> 
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] yet another foia request
> 
> 
> 
> I understand the Constitution of the United States gives people the right to 
> free speech. However, the guidelines of this email list are as follows:
> 
> We encourage open communication and free-flowing ideas. And, although 
> opposing viewpoints are welcome, flaming and bashing are not.
> 
> It is possible that I am wrong here, but I believe that the numerous and 
> continuous postings that are not directly related to matters of the National 
> Federation of the Blind as well as the following post would be considered 
> flaming. As a result, I would greatly appreciate if the moderators of this 
> list could take some form of action to prevent such flaming on the list from 
> occurring as set forth in the guidelines for the list. I believe that 
> everyone should be able to enjoy the list without receiving these kinds of 
> messages.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> [nfbmi-talk] Sky Dive Event
> joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
> Thu Apr 15 23:46:45 CDT 2010
> 
> Excuse me and just who are you and who are you coming from?
> 
> You wouldn't be Pat Cannon engaging in overt sexual harassment on this list 
> serve would you? I mean even you Pat Cannon wouldn't stoop that far in a 
> public capacity would you? I think another FOIA request is in order here 
> don't you?
> 
> Of course Patrick Cannon, known to be a public employee of the great state 
> of Michigan would not stoop so low as we think here would he?
> 
> Oh, and by the way what the heck is under your skirt Pat Cannon, official 
> Director of the Michigan Commission for the Blind?
> 
> I'm not afraid of signing my name you bastard.
> 
> My name is "JoE hARCZ .
> 
> 
> 
> > From: joeharcz at comcast.net
> > To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:34:37 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] yet another foia request
> >
> > I did send this to the FOIA coordinator. And am making this public as 
> > public
> > records should be. I'll try to be nice about this Elizabeth. We have the
> > right to know in this country. There are no exclusions for blind folks.
> >
> > Moreover I worked, in the real world of journalism for nearly twenty years
> > and the activities of public bodies and public servants are just that,
> > public! This particular agency and this particular public official have
> > acted in secret for far too long against all principles of open, 
> > transparent
> > and accountable government.
> >
> > By the way this also goes to college policy. Have you not noticed that the
> > same things keep popping up over and over again? I saw basically the same
> > college policy that you have been bitten with several years back while I 
> > was
> > on the CIC. That CIC by the way and none of your input is valued in the
> > least as noted in those very minutes. And if you are not informed about 
> > the
> > extreme implications of MCB's funding issues then one day there just might
> > not be money to send blind folks to college under any conditions or
> > scenarios. It sure has happened a whole lot in other states, especially 
> > for
> > graduate programs.
> >
> > As far as so-called personal attack goes. There is no such thing for 
> > public
> > officials as parody and satire are protected expression under the First
> > Amendment of the United States and several U.S. Supreme Court
> > determinations.
> >
> > now, this will be my last word on this issue as I have better things to 
> > do.
> > However, be assured that my First Amendment rights are not chilled in the
> > least here and nor is my quest to shed some sunshine upon the workings of
> > MCB which, does impact the lives of blind people statewide.
> >
> > I wish you a pleasant day and all the best in advocacy.
> >
> > Joe
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> > To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] yet another foia request
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Joe,
> >
> > I am not able to fulfill your freedom of information request because I
> > simply do not have the information you have requested. I am simply an
> > average blind citizen living in the state of Michigan. However, if you 
> > send
> > this information to the Freedom of Information Coordinators, I am sure 
> > they
> > will be able to fulfill your request.
> >
> > This is an email list for the National Federation of the Blind of 
> > Michigan,
> > and is intended to discuss matters related to our organization. It should
> > not be simply a dumping ground for those who wish to air their grievances
> > regarding the Michigan Commission for the Blind. I ask that you keep this 
> > in
> > mind when posting to the list, as I do not wish to receive a copy of every
> > freedom of information request you send to the Michigan Commission for the
> > Blind.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> >
> >
> > > From: joeharcz at comcast.net
> > > To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:52:00 -0400
> > > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] yet another foia request
> > >
> > > Re: FOIA Request June 20, 2008 Recording MCB Quarterly Meeting
> > >
> > > April 27, 2010
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
> > >
> > > 1365 E. Mt. Morris Rd.
> > >
> > > Mt. Morris, MI 48458
> > >
> > > E-mail: joeharcz at comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Melvin Farmer, DELEG, FOIA Coordinator
> > >
> > > E-mail: farmerc at michigan.gov
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Carla Haynes, MCB, FOIA
> > >
> > > E-mail: haynesc at michigan.gov
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Farmer and Ms. Haynes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am writing you today to request the audio recording of the June 20, 
> > > 2008
> > > meeting of the Michigan Commission for the Blind pursuant to the 
> > > Michigan
> > > Freedom of Information Act referenced in this quotation:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > “ Mike Ellis advised Commissioners that there had not been audio 
> > > streaming
> > > because there was equipment failure. The Commission will have audio that
> > >
> > > has been captured.”
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am requesting this without any fee pursuant to past actions and
> > > identification on either a flashcard or CD (the latter of which has been
> > > sent to me in the past and is satisfactory).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It may simply be mailed as in the past to my e-mail address listed 
> > > above.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I do wonder aloud here about one thing however: Why aren’t these
> > > recordings simply archived on MCB’s web site which certainly would be in
> > > the public interest? I am puzzled by this as also in this same meeting
> > > minutes in the discussion of the MCB Action plan this was referenced
> > > directly. I quote from the minutes here on the matter:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > “3.4 Enhance the MCB website including adding audio files of agency
> > > brochures, videos and archived quarterly Commission meetings.
> > >
> > > Status: Future meetings will be archived when the space becomes 
> > > available
> > > through DMB. Three of MCB's brochures are currently available on line.”
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I certainly would consider it to be compliant with this request if MCB
> > > simply would put these archived recordings in accessible manner on their
> > > own web site as suggested over and over again including the above
> > > reference which is almost two years old.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It appears that we have some issues with timely delivery and 
> > > availability
> > > of public information. The state web sites could well be used to deliver
> > > timely, material like this in the spirit of transparency, open 
> > > governance
> > > and accountability. Governor Grandholm has often discussed transparency
> > > including efforts in that regard recently on her web site. I would
> > > appreciate it if DELEG and MCB also was more forthcoming and acted more
> > > affirmatively in these regards. It certainly would, among other things
> > > ensure that I, and others would not be so burdened with making FOIA
> > > requests. And, for that matter you and the staff at DELEG would likewise
> > > not have to be so burdened with these issues as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I offer the latter observations in the spirit of cooperation and 
> > > positive
> > > input from a citizen of this state who just happens to be blind.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Very Truly Yours,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cc: Commissioners Michigan Commission for the Blind
> > >
> > > Cc: National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
> > >
> > > Cc: Michigan Council of the Blind and Visually Impaired
> > >
> > > Cc: Michigan Protection and Advocacy Services, Inc.
> > >
> > > Cc: Michael Cox, Michigan Attorney General
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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